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thank you so much for hanging in there

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we were talking about uh just before

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uh we were talking about the fact

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from encounters and during these

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telepathic messages

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based on taking care of the planet we

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244 scientists 14 000 white papers

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scientific papers and what i just said

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to bill before this went live was

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where's okay we get maybe we get these

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messages but where's the game plan on

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uh why didn't they just add a little

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game plan i want to remind

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um the listeners of something that dr

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jeffrey bennett said on this show i've

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future like advanced

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advanced civilization with technology

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technology without destroying themselves

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they will travel the stars so you know

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it's a fragile time

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for us basically and you know maybe

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that's why these messages have been

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coming maybe there was uh you know

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more of an expectation for us to fix

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what's going on than we have i'm not

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sure martin let me ask you this question

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because i've always thought about this

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and i know a lot of other people may

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possibly think on these same terms

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if if we were being visited let's just

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let's just use the grays as for this

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thousands of years from now

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underground dwellers our appearance

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years we're talking thousands of years

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of evolution yeah

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and they say that you know are the sizes

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of our cranium the brain will get larger

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these could be visitors from the future

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masters ever talked about the

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possibility of underground but i i don't

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really get how things how you could

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survive underground without sunlight

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uh you know for food and yeah

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now martin they've got doomsday bunkers

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now the government is fully prepared um

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that didn't hear this

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um and i do apologize for the people

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that have to hear it again is uh we're

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and the museum you want to catch the

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that the blog this week is ufos and

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creatures in the mountains of taos new

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mexico by charles lear it's a real

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amazing uh blog you should check it out

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very strange very strange encounters

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so moving on bill um

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you know for many many decades people

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you know to take care of the planet well

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maybe they stay if i'm just saying i'm

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just using one example here

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hypothetical i have no you know this

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please for the love of god leave

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politics out of this discussion from

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jail what does this have to do with

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politics it has to do with humankind not

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politics if you want to make it

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political have fun have a nice life and

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make something like that i don't know

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how that got into the equation here's

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another dave altman no politics dave you

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this is politics what's politics got to

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do with climate change and destroying

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science it it whether it's human cause

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the planet goes through its cycles um we

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thousands of years the planet goes to

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because of the sun the sun itself this

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planet will become uninhabitable

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millionaires about that yeah and

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eventually we may have to go the

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probability off-world to continue the

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species the the human species to go out

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oh oh i i apologize to everyone in chat

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oh boy i really blew it what did you do

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had nothing to do with me i'm so sorry i

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really apologize to all you people

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dave is going to get them the riot act

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and they were talking about someone else

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boy i'll tell you what the phone line is

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up there eight five five four seven two

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call and give me a hard time martin one

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international ufo congress i'm gonna try

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i don't know if many folks are aware of

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this i'm sure many of you are because

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chat for martin's show you guys are

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continue by ufo congress um before the

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so is it gonna be uh what's going on

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gonna be announced next week okay yeah

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all right we'll wait for that and going

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system and seth shawstak decided to join

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him in the galileo project but

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signals and now the footprint of some

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type of technology is what uh you know

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avi lobe is is going to be his segment

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of it and this is not a grant to harvard

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billionaires kicked some money in at

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goal if you go to the website um galileo

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ground-based project is complementary to

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objects and not electromagnetic signals

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definitely being visited by something

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that he needs more

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enough evidence that would fill a wing

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ufos before he believed that we're being

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he's going with this or not okay but i

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that scientists broaden

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their research

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because a lot of this is considered

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taboo you once you use the acronym ufo

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having a more open mind and broadening

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doing nothing the only issues i have

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thing

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um so that's the only

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bone i have you know they're they're

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looking for radio signals you know that

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there may not be any radio signals maybe

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advanced technologies are going to use

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something else besides radio signals

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but if they're

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open to other ways of checking

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technological

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um you know uh what do you call it

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footprints then

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that means at least they're open-minded

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enough to do that

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but it's also interesting because why

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wouldn't i mean look at the voyagers

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they're out out of the solar system

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they're they're going into deep space

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now

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why is it out of the realm of

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possibility that another

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civilization out there isn't doing

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something similar and sending probes

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throughout the galaxy

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galaxies

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yeah i see no reason why we shouldn't be

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looking for that kind of technology that

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might be out there that they sent toward

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us

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the same way we're sending stuff outward

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you know i

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from that point of view i think it's a

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logical conclusion that you can possibly

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look for this technology somewhere out

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there by the way we do have a call you

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want to try to bring them one on right

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now yeah why not uh you want to bring

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them on live while we're both here yeah

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bring them up and then i'll take another

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chance yeah i'll think about it

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here we go all right uh caller you are

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live you're hot on the air we have no

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idea who you are where you from could

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you please give us your first name and

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all right uh try this again i'm bear

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from kentucky

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i'm doing good sorry about that earlier

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uh i was i'm at work um but i heard

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about the top and i felt really

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compelled to call in

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because

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i specifically had an encounter when i

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was a

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smaller child i would say probably

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around five years old where

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i was visited in my sleep

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and i was shown

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a precognition

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of

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a catastrophic

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fire in my hometown

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and lo and behold i woke up the next

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morning for that to have come true in

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the field behind my house i've seen it

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all directly happen it was shown to me

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it was explained to me that this is

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because

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of uh

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of

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what's happening to the planet and it

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always you know i i

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have been listening to

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paranormal talk radio since i was

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11 years old um i used to listen to art

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bell

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constantly

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um and

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he would talk about

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you know they used to call it global

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warming but it you know this

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and and i couldn't

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picture a more politically different

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person for myself

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for mark you know tara bell but you know

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it because it crosses those it's not a

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political thing it's a human thing

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um and now it's it's a cosmic thing

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because we have people

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all over the world you know experiencing

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it every day

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these ep visitors are coming and they're

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trying to tell us

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you know what's happening to our planet

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and and what we can do to stop it

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um

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but i i think that

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uh

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the the the cabals and the higher ups

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and the deep state government are trying

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to keep that suppressed because they

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want us

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to

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lose this planet faster so that we

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are more motivated uh to work hard and

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be subservient to

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their ends

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mike may may i comment on what basically

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go ahead

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great that you called in um it's great

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to actually speak to you on on the air

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um uh i i'm raised a catholic now

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i had instances with some experiences

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when i was young too and i used to argue

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with my mom

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which was not pleasant i used to say is

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god an extraterrestrial okay this is i'm

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like seven years old i have no idea but

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how do we know it's extraterrestrial how

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do we know it's not a divine guide

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spiritual in nature um how do we discern

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the differences of what the source may

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be that may be giving providing these

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messages to all of us

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did you ever contemplate like uh for

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yourself for your own experience um

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actually yeah um

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and i i can't say with myself you know

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for myself with any certainty whether it

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would be a divine intervention or an

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extraterrestrial or interdimensional

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you know i was raised a southern baptist

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i've seen

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what i believe to be demons

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in the world

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i've seen all kinds of

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spiritual beings both light and dark

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and but yeah it could have very well

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been been some sort of divine

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intervention an angelic intervention or

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a demonic one perhaps

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uh

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but but there is

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but you know as far as as visitors

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coming and delivering telepathic

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messages to people

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uh specifically regarding

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um

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you know the health of the planet that's

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definitely something i've experienced

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from a young age

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very interesting and like martin said

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earlier when the show started there are

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a lot of individuals that have similar

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experiences like yourself

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that are discussing this

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openly now i think more openly now than

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ever before because i don't think people

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are ridiculed for coming forward and

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discussing their experiences like it was

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decades ago or even a few years ago so

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it's great to hear people like you come

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forward and discuss it

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and uh bring your you know your

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experiences and your accounts

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yes thank you so much i know that it was

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yeah you know coming out uh quote

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unquote to my family and my wife was not

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as big of a deal as i uh

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saw it being and i even got a lot of you

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know well i've seen stuff too and i've

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well

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interesting bear and thank you for

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calling in to martin's show and

453
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supporting podcast ufo

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and uh we look forward to having you

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call back again uh in a future show bear

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yeah thanks for the call

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uh bill how is this going to work are

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people calling i'm leaving yes i need to

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leave people are calling in and i want

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you to get followers because this is

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your show for open line so folks i am

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saying goodbye to all of you god bless

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all of you have enjoyed the show and my

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love to everybody in the chat and

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listening on kjradb.com

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all right mark i'm out of here bring me

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out yep

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uh actually i have to i have to keep you

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in because

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i have to keep you in bill because we're

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taking calls um so i'll just do this

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type of thing here all right um so the

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numbers up on the line and it looks like

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you have mark the antonio's picture or

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something up uh and you're oh there you

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go all right uh i guess we do have some

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callers calling in at eight five five

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four seven two five four eight three um

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i mentioned earlier when we thought we

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were alive and we were not live

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that uh the former senior minister of uh

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canada's national defense paul heller

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passed away on the eighth

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and i uh he seemed like a really good

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guy i never actually talked to him i did

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have some email correspondence with him

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try to get him on the show he was always

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very busy but he was someone high up in

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the level of uh canadian

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uh um

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their their uh organization their

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defense organization

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that actually

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uh you know made a difference in the ufo

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world not everything he said was uh

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exactly accurate because he was

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following some people

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that had some inaccuracies but um his

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his heart was in the right place and

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unfortunately we lost him on august 8th

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we have chris

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calling from philadelphia chris welcome

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to the show you're live

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thank you martin how are you i'm doing

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well

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good to have you on thanks for the call

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thank you and i wanted to thank you for

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everything you do for the ufo community

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you're our most valuable player

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hey well thank you very much that's very

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nice of you

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so what would you like to talk about

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tonight the floor is yours

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yes i just have one question that i'm

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going to hang up sure it has to do with

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that report to congress that the navy

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gave in june and my

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my question which is very simply

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does the

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government have any credibility

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after

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the many years of all the different this

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uh that

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my opinion on that does the government

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have any credibility

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well

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we know for sure that

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the government has lied about this topic

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we do know that for sure and um a lot of

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times when things have to do with what

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they consider uh national defense

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they will lie in order to so-called

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uh protect

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um the public i don't know if a lot of

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this stuff would fall into that category

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or not

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um i do

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i do wonder about how much we're

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actually going to know

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about this topic

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how much they know even behind closed

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doors and how much we'll actually ever

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know about it so

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i think i've said this a number of times

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i think that

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they

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probably

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do not know exactly what's going on so

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that might be the reason we're not going

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to know

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everything they know

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because um there would be that

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you know the idea that we can't be

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protected somehow our skies can't be

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protected or preserved from whatever it

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is going through it when it wants to go

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through it

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so um i think uh

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i i i guess i would have to say that i

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don't really think

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that they could be relied and to be

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totally credible and if anyone would

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like to uh

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uh you know go on on that debate are you

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still on the line are you gone

566
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i think he's gone but anyway if someone

567
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:51,520
else would like to

568
00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:54,720
he left bill said all right so anyway

569
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:57,280
there there that's my thoughts on that

570
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:58,799
um and

571
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:00,960
i don't care if anyone would like to

572
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:04,240
call in and challenge that and

573
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:06,559
give their opinion on that as well

574
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:07,760
uh jay

575
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,000
we have jay from michigan welcome to the

576
00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:12,880
show jay you're live

577
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:14,720
hi martin mark

578
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,480
there's a new hi

579
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:18,799
there's a new production on

580
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:22,000
youtube from a seven new spotlight

581
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:24,320
out of australia it's called

582
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:26,799
the ufo phenomenon i believe the

583
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:29,360
newsman's last name is kalsberg

584
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:31,360
yes he was our he was our guest last

585
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:32,799
week

586
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:33,760
and

587
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,760
this just oh go ahead sorry no no um i i

588
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:39,520
you know unfortunately i did not get to

589
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:42,400
watch that ahead of the show i had with

590
00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:44,480
him last week it's a fantastic you're

591
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:47,120
right it's a channel seven australia

592
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:49,520
and it's called ufo phenomenon and i

593
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:52,159
watched it last night and it is

594
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:54,080
incredible it's a great

595
00:21:57,909 --> 00:21:56,000
great video and i think that's what you

596
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:57,919
were basically basically going to say

597
00:22:02,230 --> 00:21:59,760
right

598
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:02,240
yes and i i thought it was a blockbuster

599
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:02,960
show

600
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:04,880
yeah that's very good what i found

601
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:07,039
interesting what i found interesting to

602
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:09,039
me was that uh

603
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:10,960
it gave a lot of credibility to the

604
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:14,080
story of terry lovelace and jonathan

605
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:16,159
wagon the marine

606
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,320
there is parts

607
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:20,559
associated with the woman and and the

608
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:23,039
two federal service officers who were

609
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:24,559
interrogated

610
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:26,559
put through a pretty rough time

611
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:29,039
um and i found that

612
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:31,440
uh pretty pretty amazing and i i would

613
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:33,280
hope everybody would uh go to youtube

614
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:35,840
and watch his show it's basically about

615
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:38,720
what went went on in australia and i i

616
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:40,960
would label it the blockbuster so i just

617
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:42,880
wanted to mention that mark yeah yeah i

618
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,280
totally agree with you and um yeah that

619
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,440
is on youtube it's free to watch

620
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:49,440
and it's it's really good and if you

621
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:51,679
missed the show that i had last week

622
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:54,559
with ross uh coldheart uh please do

623
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:56,400
check it out i've i think i've gotten

624
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:57,760
more feedback

625
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:59,440
from that than i did when i had lou

626
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,520
elizondo on um getting a lot of really

627
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:03,200
good and i think i did watch your show

628
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:05,120
martin uh with him and i enjoyed it

629
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:06,159
greatly

630
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,760
yes hey well thank you for the call

631
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:11,520
thank you martin and we have the lines

632
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:13,120
are open i can't believe we have the

633
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:15,360
lines wide open we have a like nine

634
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:17,440
lines we can fill up so that number

635
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:20,960
again is 855-472-5483

636
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:23,360
uh give us a call bill is standing by or

637
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:25,520
i might have to pull him back in here to

638
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,520
keep the conversation going

639
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,520
um i would love to hear from you if

640
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,440
you'd like to talk about

641
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:33,600
the opinion that i had that i thought

642
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:36,159
was controversial at first but it wasn't

643
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:38,559
and that is you know the climate change

644
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:41,200
report and the people that are

645
00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:42,320
are uh

646
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,240
have been saying many times over the

647
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,799
years that they've had telepathy about

648
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:48,640
that and uh

649
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:51,360
my question was uh why didn't we get a

650
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,679
book and how to fix it why didn't we get

651
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:55,760
messages i got a question free energy i

652
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:57,600
got a question for you yeah

653
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,039
is there any news or updates about the

654
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:03,200
supposed 20-something minute video

655
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:06,159
that's supposed to drop no uh no and um

656
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:09,039
i i could i i will reach out to lou

657
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:11,360
elizondo because i'd like more

658
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:13,919
information about that and that was kind

659
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:15,279
of like a teaser but i got to tell you

660
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:17,600
one thing about lou elizondo when he

661
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,960
says that

662
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:20,640
something's going to happen

663
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:22,480
you know it's coming up

664
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:24,000
every single time

665
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:26,480
it something does come up and you know

666
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:29,520
in other words he's not bs'ing everybody

667
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:31,279
so we should be able to expect that

668
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:34,080
fairly soon and i'll make a note here to

669
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,760
uh contact him

670
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:37,520
and just find out if we have any

671
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:39,200
expectations when that might be coming

672
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:42,960
out also there are two series now out

673
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:45,679
there available yeah one is on show time

674
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:49,440
called ufo by jj abrams yeah four part

675
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:50,960
and there's another one on netflix i

676
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:52,640
can't recall the name

677
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:55,520
um yes and i started watching with ufo

678
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:58,000
projects or something like that yeah so

679
00:25:01,669 --> 00:25:00,080
it'd be interesting for the callers uh

680
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:01,679
to give their opinions if you've seen

681
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:02,640
these

682
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:03,760
um

683
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:06,080
i started watching ufo projects

684
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:08,799
uh alejandra rojas is on there uh yeah

685
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:10,400
and all the other you know the regular

686
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:12,400
so that the regulars are on there dave

687
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:14,240
marlar's on no wait a minute i might be

688
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:17,279
getting confused with uh marlar was on

689
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,120
the ufo thing i watched last night i'm

690
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:21,279
watching too much ufo stuff

691
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:24,159
so i'm getting confused it's all a blur

692
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,080
but um

693
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:28,080
anyway they're both they're all good

694
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:30,559
everything that's out the jj abrams one

695
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:32,880
um we were supposed to have uh tonight

696
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:35,600
we're supposed to have the producer and

697
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:37,919
director on uh but one of them is

698
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:39,840
traveling and couldn't make it so

699
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,400
hopefully the 24th will get them on we

700
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:44,400
may bring in kevin day too

701
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:45,200
um

702
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:47,440
who is

703
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,480
i i i've spoken to kevin and um gary

704
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:52,640
voorhees i mean these guys are

705
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,360
amazing guys yeah yeah

706
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:57,600
yeah kevin it's funny kevin actually

707
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:58,559
watched

708
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,120
my show i had with robert powell

709
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:02,880
when the whole connection started i mean

710
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:04,720
he no one knew about his story or

711
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:06,640
anything i remember robert powell

712
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,480
uh wrote me like the next day and says

713
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:10,559
hey i got this uh contact from a guy

714
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:13,360
named kevin day and he sounds legit

715
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,320
and by golly he was totally legit and i

716
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:18,240
i connected him with leslie kane and all

717
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:19,520
that so

718
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,799
see you martin we got another caller

719
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:24,720
okay let me know who it is

720
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,480
all right i gotta

721
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:28,159
uh do this

722
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,480
so anyway um

723
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:32,480
the lines are open we have plenty of

724
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:33,919
lines you can fill them right up that

725
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:35,760
number is eight five five four seven two

726
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:37,760
five four eight

727
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:39,840
and let's hear about your encounter

728
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:42,640
let's hear your opinion on the ufo

729
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,559
congressional report anything you'd like

730
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:46,320
to talk about ufo

731
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:48,960
or encounter related

732
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:50,559
if i get really desperate in the second

733
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:53,679
hour we'll go into ghosts if we have to

734
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:56,240
but uh let's try to stick to the ufo

735
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,520
topic

736
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:00,080
um anyway the feedback i've had a lot of

737
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:03,120
people that have given me feedback

738
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:04,320
from

739
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:07,679
last week's show uh with uh russ

740
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:09,039
was uh

741
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:11,840
that they really liked the fact that you

742
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,159
know a mainstream

743
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,559
uh investigative journalist you know

744
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:18,880
with a lot of clout you know he's a he's

745
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,760
australian 60 minutes host um he's been

746
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:24,240
around forever he's award-winning

747
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:26,559
and someone like that is is taking this

748
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,159
seriously and people

749
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:30,159
are listening to him and i think that

750
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:33,840
moves the needle forward we have gasper

751
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:36,080
from california you are live on the air

752
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:39,360
gasper welcome to the show

753
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:41,120
hi martin how's it going

754
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,240
good how are you welcome

755
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:46,640
good uh earlier in the show you were

756
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:50,320
talking about um the aerial school

757
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:51,919
children i think you were referencing

758
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,440
that how they brought up in their

759
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:57,840
you know conversations telepathically

760
00:28:02,389 --> 00:27:59,840
with these beings that there was a

761
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:02,399
warning a warning about

762
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:05,600
us destroying our planet and given

763
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,520
with the report that came out yesterday

764
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:09,600
and to be quite honest just looking in

765
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,159
the news greece is on fire we're about

766
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,480
to have another heat dome here

767
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:16,559
in the pacific northwest

768
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:18,880
while at the same time there's

769
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:21,279
now second year in a row in california

770
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:23,360
we have the largest wildfire two years

771
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:24,559
in a row

772
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,600
my question is is there any speculation

773
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:29,279
that you've heard

774
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:32,559
as far as you know these beings seem to

775
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,440
care enough to

776
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:37,279
warn us

777
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,000
or warn school children

778
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,559
yet they're not intervening in any way

779
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:44,159
like that's the one thing that i'm

780
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,080
trying to wrap my head around it's like

781
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:48,080
they care enough to

782
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:49,840
mention that there's this problem that

783
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,720
we're causing but that's where they kind

784
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,399
of draw the line

785
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:56,080
yeah that's that's

786
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:57,919
that's kind of what i was i was bringing

787
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:00,399
up like where is the playbook and how to

788
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:04,799
fix it and you know uh because obviously

789
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:07,360
um you know any type of intelligence is

790
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:08,960
going to have to go through this type of

791
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:11,520
thing unless they figure out a way

792
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,679
around it early on

793
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:15,600
and uh i don't know what other

794
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,360
intelligence want to blow themselves up

795
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:19,840
like we do you know maybe that's common

796
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,399
maybe it's not maybe we're unusual that

797
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:25,120
we want to have 7 000 warheads aiming at

798
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,559
each other um you know so uh

799
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,080
i think that's all

800
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:32,720
in the messages and uh but you're right

801
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:33,679
there's no

802
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:36,640
out would we be intervened with you know

803
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:38,000
that's one of the things that a lot of

804
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:39,840
people you know kind of speculate

805
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:41,120
because there's been

806
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:42,960
you know intervention with nuclear

807
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:45,360
warheads is that what would happen if we

808
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:48,000
had an all-out you know war countdown

809
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:50,480
would we be intervened with um i don't

810
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,000
know how any of that works and this is

811
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:54,720
all speculation it's all guessing

812
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:57,679
and i don't i don't know you know i mean

813
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:59,360
are we going to be saved can we save

814
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:01,360
ourselves you know that type of thing

815
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:02,640
that's uh

816
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,360
it's all question marks one thing

817
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:07,360
one thing i also thought about in

818
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:10,640
relation to climate change and

819
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:13,279
you know the ufo phenomenon is you know

820
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:15,919
a lot of these defense contractors and

821
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:18,159
reputable people talk about when they

822
00:30:20,830 --> 00:30:19,600
see this type of

823
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:20,840
technology

824
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:24,000
anti-gravity extreme speeds

825
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,000
you know that's the type of technology

826
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:28,480
that i would imagine not just the united

827
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:30,159
states but the world would want to get

828
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:31,840
their hands on because

829
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,039
what better way to alter your climate

830
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:37,679
which is you know we put up carbons up

831
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:38,880
in the atmosphere the only way we're

832
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:40,640
going to get it out

833
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:43,279
is actually going up there in the upper

834
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:45,919
stratosphere and start sucking that you

835
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:48,080
know carbon and that methane

836
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:50,880
out of the atmosphere or even put

837
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,320
um sulfates or you know other particles

838
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:55,919
that will help repel

839
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:58,000
the sun's rays and help cool down the

840
00:31:01,269 --> 00:31:00,080
planet i mean obviously volcanoes could

841
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:01,279
do that but

842
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,880
you know we're

843
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:05,039
it's better if we control it than uh

844
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:07,600
wait for a mega volcano so i'm thinking

845
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,399
to myself like you know this technology

846
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:13,200
actually might also be an answer

847
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:15,679
to healing the planet it might have the

848
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:16,880
ability

849
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:19,760
um to do that but it seems like uh

850
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:21,919
they're still stonewalling for the from

851
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,320
the government as far as wanting to tell

852
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,320
us what they know or

853
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:28,240
they know anything

854
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,799
yeah you know it's it's a you know the

855
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:32,399
the saying for every action there's a

856
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,480
reaction and and

857
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:36,799
i don't know if you know if we did have

858
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:38,640
control if we'd know how to control

859
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,919
properly and

860
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:41,279
tip it the other way and we'll go into

861
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:42,640
an ice age

862
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:44,399
who knows i mean it's really

863
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,600
it's really very very tricky i imagine

864
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:49,760
you know because you just think about

865
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:51,519
the uh

866
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:53,519
billions of years this planet has sat

867
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,640
here and

868
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,880
and uh you know with unjust basically

869
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:58,320
undisturbed except for natural

870
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,080
occurrences like volcanoes like you

871
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:02,159
mentioned in asteroids and things like

872
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:03,679
that but other than that

873
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:05,600
uh you know we haven't had

874
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:08,640
a change uh anything to change what's

875
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:10,799
going on certainly not animals

876
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:12,080
you know

877
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:13,840
but anyway all interesting things to

878
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:19,750
absolutely and just to all your

879
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:21,919
listeners who you know

880
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:24,000
maybe they're not following the climate

881
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:26,399
change issues closely

882
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,320
one of the most disturbing things i

883
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:30,960
heard was the last time we had

884
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,440
this amount of carbon in the atmosphere

885
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:35,760
was millions of years ago

886
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:37,919
you know we're in a whole different

887
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:40,320
paradigm here as a species

888
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:43,039
what we're about to see in the next

889
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:45,440
20 to 100 years

890
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:46,640
i mean

891
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:49,039
part of me hopes that they intervene at

892
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:50,320
that point

893
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:53,519
yeah yeah well all we can do is try to

894
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:57,279
do our part is your first name casper

895
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,640
dapper

896
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:59,840
oh

897
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:01,679
uh all right

898
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:03,760
all right all right very good well nice

899
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:04,960
talking to you

900
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,240
thank you for calling in thank you

901
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:08,080
martin thank you for all you do all

902
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,159
right i appreciate the call all right

903
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:12,159
next we have ken from massachusetts

904
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,360
welcome to the show ken you're live

905
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:17,760
hey martin i appreciate the show i love

906
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:19,600
it you're a great guest

907
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:21,919
and i enjoy your topics you have most of

908
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:22,960
the time

909
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:25,279
and i also want to thank bill too for

910
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:28,799
his uh perseid meteor ufo stream i mean

911
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,039
not ufo uh youtube streams because those

912
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:33,840
are fantastic to watch yeah uh well i'm

913
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:35,840
sure i'm gonna bring bill we did want to

914
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,880
talk about that a little bit i'm gonna

915
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:38,960
bring bill back in a little bit later so

916
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:41,840
he can he can talk about that he says uh

917
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:45,519
thank you in the in the chat to you

918
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:47,600
yep now it's just it's it's really good

919
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:49,360
but like i said i do like your show and

920
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:51,039
i just want to let you know

921
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,600
uh one um

922
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,919
one case that i think is really good and

923
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,080
not many people talk about it is the

924
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:00,480
norwood ohio case have you ever heard of

925
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:03,039
that i have not i'm interested in all

926
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:04,640
all cases i've never heard of it's

927
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:07,600
always fascinating let's hear about it

928
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:11,520
yeah it's um uh a priest had a church

929
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:13,839
like bizarre affair and this i believe

930
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:15,280
was in the 40s

931
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:16,879
maybe late 40s

932
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:18,560
and yeah it was after world war ii

933
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:19,839
because they had you know they had the

934
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:22,079
surplus those big candle power lights

935
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:23,919
they had the searchlights

936
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,399
so they did that to try to draw in

937
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:28,480
people to the fair like they did back in

938
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:29,679
those days

939
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:33,359
and they had a actual operator and they

940
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:35,839
noticed a disc it was hitting a disc

941
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:38,399
above the above the um

942
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:40,800
the fair so people look

943
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:43,280
i guess the fear went on for a bunch of

944
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:44,720
days in a row

945
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:46,800
and there's a picture actually you can

946
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,639
see it's on the internet of the light

947
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:50,399
coming up and it looks like it actually

948
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:53,040
bends toward the object and i've seen

949
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:55,040
that type of phenomenon

950
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,480
uh spoken about during the westall case

951
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:00,880
in australia where the high school kids

952
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:02,800
saw that you were following the 66 i

953
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:04,960
believe and that was explained in that

954
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,839
too

955
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,760
one of the days i guess subsequent to

956
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,680
the sighting there was a ufo off the

957
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:11,280
side of the road and the light from the

958
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:12,960
headlight of the car actually bent

959
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:15,839
towards the object almost no that i i

960
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:17,599
know what you're talking about that was

961
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:20,560
that was in australia but that was on a

962
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:23,200
highway and there was a there was a man

963
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:25,359
driving on a highway and the lights bent

964
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:27,920
toward the ufo but it was in australia

965
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:29,200
yeah

966
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:32,800
about i guess that was subsequent to the

967
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,480
the sighting that they had there i guess

968
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:36,320
it was around the same time as the west

969
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:37,200
hall

970
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:38,880
yeah and that was the only time i saw a

971
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:41,200
similar situation where the light bent

972
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:43,119
towards the object but that's really

973
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:45,040
good if you do some research into that

974
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,960
no one's really much talked about it

975
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:48,800
much but that is a really really great

976
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:49,680
case

977
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:52,160
let me ask you this did they rule out

978
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:53,680
the possibility of some type of

979
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:58,069
yeah because i guess it was there

980
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:00,320
multiple times it wouldn't move with the

981
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:03,200
wind and actually now this is going back

982
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:05,920
i looked into this years ago

983
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:08,240
there was i think scientists

984
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:11,040
on site from chicago university i

985
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:12,800
believe because i think it was near in

986
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:15,119
illinois norwood ohio but i think it was

987
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:17,359
close by to illinois i can't you know

988
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:19,920
remember exact details about it but i

989
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:21,680
know someone was there to observe it

990
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:23,599
like a physicist or so it was in the

991
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,440
newspaper at the time

992
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,359
but there was actually was a uh there

993
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:29,359
was a film that was made and that

994
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,920
subsequently disappeared where objects

995
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:33,839
were seen coming in and out of this

996
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:35,200
saucer-shaped

997
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:36,400
craft

998
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,320
whoa wow

999
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:40,480
that's fascinating yeah it would all it

1000
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:42,000
would take is

1001
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:45,440
you know one really convincing film that

1002
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:47,680
couldn't be doctored with you know to

1003
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,880
really uh

1004
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:50,400
have a lot more people take this thing

1005
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,560
seriously and it's funny when you hear

1006
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:54,560
about these things disappearing there's

1007
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:57,040
a number of times the big sur

1008
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:59,520
you know missile strike from a ufo back

1009
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:01,040
in the

1010
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:03,599
60s or 70s when that happened you know

1011
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:05,920
that film disappears you know all these

1012
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:07,200
uh the film

1013
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:10,320
that the astronaut took or looked at um

1014
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:11,760
gordon cooper

1015
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:14,240
um in the desert you know that film

1016
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:16,160
disappeared you know these all disappear

1017
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,960
to

1018
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:18,720
you know somewhere in the government who

1019
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:20,960
knows if they're in some

1020
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:23,119
you know warehouse tucked away somewhere

1021
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,280
and still exist it would be interesting

1022
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:27,359
to see my theory about that about not

1023
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:29,119
having good photos of

1024
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:31,280
film is because if there's good photos

1025
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:32,800
of film the government will get the

1026
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:34,640
hands on it and you will never see it

1027
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:37,680
that's why there's no good films of uh

1028
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:40,480
our uh you know photos look at the photo

1029
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:41,680
in the um

1030
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:43,359
i think it was scotland those those

1031
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:46,079
hikers took of that triangle crash

1032
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:47,440
craft over

1033
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:49,680
i think it was scotland and wales and

1034
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:52,079
the english government still will not

1035
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:54,560
release that photo

1036
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:57,359
wow well you know i i played a little

1037
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:00,240
clip from neil degrasse tyson a couple

1038
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,560
weeks ago and in it he

1039
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:04,560
says you know i'll tell you why you know

1040
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:08,640
these ufos i don't know i'm saying it um

1041
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:11,359
i'm just paraphrasing but the reason

1042
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,880
that there's nothing to this is because

1043
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:14,640
there's a billion cell phone cameras

1044
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:16,480
around why don't we have these on

1045
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:19,680
youtube going viral you know these ufos

1046
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:20,560
um

1047
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:22,800
you know uh there's a lot you could

1048
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:25,839
argue about that first of all uh iphones

1049
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:28,960
are not exactly the best film uh you

1050
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,040
know filming device for something far

1051
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:33,440
away they are because when you uh

1052
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:36,560
broaden the focus it's basically

1053
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:39,119
not it's it pixelates the further you go

1054
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:41,280
out um the clearest you'll ever see it

1055
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:43,359
is the image you see when you're not

1056
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:44,960
expanding they're zooming it they don't

1057
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,720
have a zoom feature like

1058
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:49,200
um you know a camera does

1059
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:52,079
um so anyway uh what i'm getting at is

1060
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:53,440
uh

1061
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,079
um you know a lot of times when an

1062
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:58,560
encounter happens quickly happens

1063
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:00,720
you know if a phone or a camera is the

1064
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:03,760
last thing the person thinks of i know

1065
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:05,440
that i would have never thought of when

1066
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:07,920
i had my ufo sighting i would have never

1067
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,000
even had a camera beside me unless i

1068
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:12,320
brought the camera out purposely and set

1069
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:14,960
it down beside me i would have never

1070
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:16,880
thought to pick it up because my

1071
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:19,040
yeah my mouth was open i was staring at

1072
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:21,520
it what am i looking at you know

1073
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:22,960
it's got to be so shocking that you're

1074
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:23,680
like

1075
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:25,359
you know i've waited all my life to see

1076
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:27,359
this and it's right here and it's it's

1077
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:29,119
going to be i've never had an experience

1078
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:30,400
i've been looking for years and years

1079
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:32,560
since i was a kid never have but i can

1080
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,599
imagine if

1081
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:35,520
if it ever does happen it's going to be

1082
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:37,200
just shocking like you you want to be

1083
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:38,400
able to move

1084
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:41,280
yeah well for me it was like

1085
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:42,400
um

1086
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:44,320
i couldn't wrap my head around what i

1087
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:47,040
was seeing and i think that might be

1088
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,720
the case for a lot of people that see

1089
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:50,000
something for the first time and i

1090
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:51,760
wasn't even thinking about ufos or

1091
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,359
anything i just like

1092
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:55,200
what am i looking at

1093
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:56,960
you know type of thing and i think

1094
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:59,359
that's what might happen also although

1095
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:00,720
you know i've spoken to people that have

1096
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:03,680
had many encounters i have seen a lot of

1097
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,839
things and maybe that's different for

1098
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:07,440
them you know they're prepared a lot of

1099
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:08,640
times and

1100
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:11,200
you know uh but it's all it's all good

1101
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:12,400
the lines i don't want to think of

1102
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:13,359
anymore

1103
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,800
yep i don't want to take up any more

1104
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:16,079
time so you have a great day and i

1105
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:17,760
appreciate the podcast

1106
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,240
oh thank you very much ken all right

1107
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:22,079
talk to you later all right so the lines

1108
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:23,599
are open again that number is eight five

1109
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:26,560
five four seven two five four eight

1110
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:28,480
three and if no one's uh jumping on the

1111
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,760
line right now

1112
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:31,440
i'm gonna yank bill back in because we

1113
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:33,040
have about five minutes before we go

1114
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:35,040
into the top of the hour break

1115
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,160
and

1116
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:38,640
here he is actually i was looking at

1117
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:41,040
chat i just signed into the youtube but

1118
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,960
brett makes a really great point i have

1119
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:44,079
in chat

1120
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:44,960
yes

1121
00:40:47,710 --> 00:40:46,319
okay

1122
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,720
i have a sony

1123
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,160
a7s3 camera

1124
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:53,200
um it's over there in my case but

1125
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:55,040
even with that camera which is one of

1126
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:57,680
the best low resolution low-light

1127
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,560
cameras there are on the market period

1128
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,119
it is very difficult to discern objects

1129
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:05,760
when they're at a high altitude

1130
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,160
martin i mean i've seen many things and

1131
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:10,240
i actually have a clip

1132
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,480
i would love to share with your audience

1133
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:14,480
but this was not with my sony and i

1134
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:15,359
don't know if you could give me the

1135
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:17,680
capability of sharing my screen

1136
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:19,119
yeah you could do it

1137
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:20,480
right down to the bottom you can see you

1138
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:22,240
can share your screen right there okay i

1139
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:24,319
just give you permission and we have

1140
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,760
four minutes if you want to try to do it

1141
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:27,440
now i'm doing i have it on my screen so

1142
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:29,040
i'm going to do that right now just all

1143
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:30,800
right

1144
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,200
and i'll let you know yes

1145
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:35,040
i'm sharing now let me do it you got to

1146
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,920
bring it up

1147
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:37,680
all right i'm going to i'm going to put

1148
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:40,079
this in full screen

1149
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:41,280
talk about what you're seeing we're

1150
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,440
seeing here i started sky watching in

1151
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:45,440
2014

1152
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:47,040
but at that time

1153
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:50,079
i was using a samsung

1154
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:52,560
security cam and i took the ir filter

1155
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:53,599
out of it

1156
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,480
so it's very grainy i've had many people

1157
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:58,560
analyze this video that everybody's

1158
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:59,839
about to see

1159
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:01,280
now

1160
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:03,440
i see this thing curving down right here

1161
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:04,640
you see this little curve that's

1162
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:07,359
starting here it's going to come down

1163
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,359
it's going to come back up and curve

1164
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:11,520
into an open space and i want people to

1165
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:13,680
see this now remember this is an old

1166
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:15,599
camera system this was a black and white

1167
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:18,400
security camera now i have the sony a7s3

1168
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:19,280
which is

1169
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:22,240
incredible uh piece of equipment but i'm

1170
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,319
gonna try to freeze this

1171
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,000
this i captured this over at my house

1172
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:28,079
and i live in the hudson valley but this

1173
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:29,839
was over my house martin

1174
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,240
it's incredible

1175
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,640
um and i looped it you can see

1176
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:36,720
it's hard to freeze it

1177
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,079
i'm trying to get it to freeze at the

1178
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,560
right spot okay

1179
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:42,400
that that was over my house that's way

1180
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:45,440
up there martin that's high above the

1181
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:47,359
cloud layer

1182
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:49,839
that showed up over my house in 2000

1183
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,560
september 18 2014.

1184
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,240
now i'm not saying that's an

1185
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,400
extraterrestrial craft all i know if

1186
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:58,800
that's a uap by definition i don't know

1187
00:43:02,790 --> 00:42:59,920
what that is

1188
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:02,800
can you can you let it loop again yeah

1189
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:08,150
let me make sure off my screen you're

1190
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:09,680
seeing music

1191
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:11,680
yeah that was okay now one of my it

1192
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:14,480
looks like i see some flashes behind it

1193
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:15,520
like that

1194
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,319
that's snow that snow from clouds but if

1195
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:20,240
you look there's a curve that comes down

1196
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,160
you can actually see it curving up look

1197
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:24,160
right there curve

1198
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,160
curve this almost looks like the dust

1199
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,880
particles of that they filmed off of the

1200
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:30,000
uh

1201
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:31,520
the space station

1202
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:33,200
well this is what i mean i know this is

1203
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:34,880
above your house but i mean yeah it

1204
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:38,240
looks similar to i mean martin that is

1205
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:40,640
i have no explanation i've spoken to so

1206
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,079
many people

1207
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,160
and they have no explanation on what

1208
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:46,319
that and what that is i've had so many

1209
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:49,040
conclusions from a media breaking up and

1210
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:51,760
bouncing out and back into space to

1211
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:54,000
valerie over off from russia telling me

1212
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:55,280
that that's

1213
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:58,079
uh as part of the terminator program of

1214
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:00,000
things that we have in outer space to

1215
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:02,720
kill our satellites and to take out

1216
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:04,000
meteors

1217
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:05,839
i've had so many i don't know if you're

1218
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,119
familiar with um i can't recall his name

1219
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:11,520
wilbur allen he did an analysis on that

1220
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:14,319
says bill you got a ufo or uap

1221
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,079
so i've heard so many different but

1222
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:18,240
that's an example of something that you

1223
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:19,839
may see in the sky

1224
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:21,119
but now i have better equipment but

1225
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,720
brett made a great point

1226
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:24,800
even with good equipment when

1227
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:26,319
something's so high to two you don't

1228
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:29,359
know it may look like a satellite it may

1229
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:32,079
be a plane high altitude plane it can be

1230
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:33,920
anything it's really hard to discern an

1231
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:35,839
object when it's that high in altitude

1232
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:38,160
it really is even with great equipment

1233
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:39,599
on on the ground

1234
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:42,400
now like i said the sony a7s martin is a

1235
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,640
really high-end camera

1236
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:46,319
um and i see a lot of stuff all the time

1237
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:48,400
when i'm doing like ken mentioned

1238
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:50,319
um i do it all the time and i see some

1239
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:52,720
peculiar things but i'm not i cannot say

1240
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:53,680
without

1241
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:56,240
real credible evidence

1242
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:58,640
unless it's low altitude and i capture

1243
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,960
something and i could say okay now that

1244
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,640
just moved the 90 degree or it did

1245
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:04,800
something odd or we can see the features

1246
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:07,280
i cannot say what that is

1247
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:08,880
you know

1248
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:10,240
i cannot

1249
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,960
so i'm just saying in my case

1250
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:14,880
i'm not one to jump out and use click

1251
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:17,680
bait and say oh it's aliens because it's

1252
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:19,440
we i don't know what that is

1253
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:20,720
yeah i posted it

1254
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:23,119
chat said that it's not violence unless

1255
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,119
it's aliens yeah but i think a lot of

1256
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:27,839
people experience this kind of stuff and

1257
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:30,079
they witness stuff and it's hard to

1258
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,160
discern what they're seeing it really is

1259
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:34,240
because even even a plane

1260
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:36,000
coming at you because i speak to a lot

1261
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:37,680
of people at pine bush and

1262
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:39,119
even a plane coming at you it just looks

1263
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:41,119
like the light is stationary

1264
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:43,119
yes i've seen that many times you know

1265
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:44,880
what i mean i lived right near pease air

1266
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,240
force base in

1267
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:48,480
uh over in new hampshire so i lived on

1268
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:50,000
the other side of the river

1269
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:52,960
it's really difficult i mean but i would

1270
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:55,440
suggest people spend more time looking

1271
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,960
at the sky and doing other things

1272
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:58,319
instead of being hypnotized by your

1273
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:59,200
phones

1274
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:00,960
it's a great seriously it's a great

1275
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:03,040
hobby get yourself a camera set it up

1276
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:04,079
outside

1277
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:06,000
um if anybody needs help to set up

1278
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:08,000
equipment i can help you

1279
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:09,760
it's not hard you need a capture card

1280
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:12,000
and a camera that can output to the uh

1281
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:13,359
capture card and then you could stream

1282
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:14,720
and you can do all this stuff and you

1283
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,359
could record i think it's excellent that

1284
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,440
if more people uh pay attention to

1285
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:21,119
what's going on above us

1286
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:22,960
there's a lot more going on than we all

1287
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:26,319
realize because i see stuff all the time

1288
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,480
yeah and and by the way you know you

1289
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:30,240
think of oh well it's the young people

1290
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:31,760
on their phone i was in a cafe this

1291
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:32,720
morning

1292
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:34,960
and i was probably the youngest i'm not

1293
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:36,560
a spring chicken

1294
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:37,680
um

1295
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,800
and

1296
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,319
i was probably the youngest person in

1297
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:42,960
the cafe and every single person was a

1298
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:45,440
zombie on their phone

1299
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:46,800
and so it doesn't matter if they're

1300
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,119
young old everyone is like glued to the

1301
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:51,440
damn phone it's it's uh

1302
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:53,839
yeah i mean when we come back because we

1303
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:56,319
have to go to a break but i am going to

1304
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,160
show uh the camera but oh yeah do that

1305
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:02,240
it's amazing we need to go to break so i

1306
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:02,960
mean

1307
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:04,720
all right so we're going to go into

1308
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:06,640
break everyone and that's going to be a

1309
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,960
three-minute break i played this uh clip

1310
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,800
before for those of you who watch all

1311
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:12,720
the time but i think it's an interesting

1312
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:15,680
one on project blue book so if you're

1313
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,240
over at kgra radio we'll be right back

1314
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:20,319
right after these messages hang in

1315
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:32,549
uh what would you consider as a person

1316
00:47:36,829 --> 00:47:35,200
qualified to interpret what we see

1317
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:36,839
well i consider

1318
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:38,240
astronomers are

1319
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:41,280
genuinely expert in their field

1320
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:43,040
first of all they have a tremendous

1321
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:44,720
advantage over the other physical

1322
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:46,079
scientists

1323
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:47,680
and that is that they have powerful

1324
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,000
telescopes and photographic equipment to

1325
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,400
confront them typically do astronomical

1326
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,000
laboratories make any contribution to

1327
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,400
the ufo program in a negative way they

1328
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:58,400
do because i've never received the ufo

1329
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:01,839
report from the devastation

1330
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:03,280
well how about the tracking and

1331
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:04,880
detective facilities of the air force

1332
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:07,520
itself how does this country go well

1333
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:09,760
actually to begin with the united states

1334
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:12,400
air force is charged by an act of

1335
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:13,680
congress with the air defense of the

1336
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:15,440
united states and the north american air

1337
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:17,119
defense command and the air defense

1338
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:20,240
command have space tracking facilities

1339
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:22,800
which are constantly on the alert 24

1340
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,040
hours a day we're interested in anything

1341
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:27,440
that flies in our atmosphere well how

1342
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:29,359
about ufo reports in other countries how

1343
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:32,160
are they handled ufos actually occur

1344
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,359
worldwide

1345
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:35,520
however the united states is the only

1346
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,240
country in the world that

1347
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:40,480
places as much emphasis on the

1348
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:41,920
phenomenon

1349
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:44,000
other countries place a burden of proof

1350
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:46,240
on the observer not on their earth

1351
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:47,680
that would make your job a lot easier if

1352
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:52,230
thank you colonel parker

1353
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:54,000
major clinton ella

1354
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:55,440
i would like to close by reading a very

1355
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,200
brief excerpt from the report of the air

1356
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,680
force's scientific advisory board which

1357
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:01,920
they made recently upon completing a

1358
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:04,880
detailed review of the subject of ufo

1359
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:06,800
this is a statement

1360
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:08,800
the committee concluded that in the 19

1361
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:11,440
years since the first ufo was cited

1362
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:13,040
there has been no evidence that

1363
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:15,680
unidentified flying objects are a threat

1364
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:21,270
all right welcome back everyone

1365
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:24,240
this is martin willis and i've got bill

1366
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,720
with me here we're taking calls and i'll

1367
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,559
put up that number

1368
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:30,400
that number is eight five five four

1369
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:32,319
seven two five four eight three the

1370
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:34,559
lines are open right bill yes they are

1371
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:37,040
so folks call in so this way i can get

1372
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:38,559
off and i'm kidding i love being on

1373
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:39,359
martin

1374
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:43,839
but yeah this is this is the sony a7s

1375
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:45,040
right let me hang on a second let me

1376
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:46,720
pull you up full screen and uh for those

1377
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,359
of you listening to the audio podcast

1378
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,599
you can imagine it's a camera

1379
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:54,000
oh yeah pretty fancy looking

1380
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:55,680
oh yeah but the one i have an old sony

1381
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,400
too the original sony a7s but the great

1382
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,559
thing about this camera martin for those

1383
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:02,559
that may want to stream with a camera

1384
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:03,520
like this

1385
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:06,079
is that it has a standard

1386
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:09,200
hdmi port right in here you really can't

1387
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:10,400
see it

1388
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:13,520
the top there

1389
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:15,200
right there

1390
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:16,800
the old camera

1391
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,680
had the micro and

1392
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,599
i use it so much for skywatches this

1393
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:23,200
camera

1394
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,240
that

1395
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:26,559
the cable hangs this has a nice locking

1396
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:29,440
system too on the cage where i can lock

1397
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:31,599
the hdmi cable so it doesn't put that

1398
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:32,640
weight

1399
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:34,160
on the camera

1400
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,800
but this camera is great because of the

1401
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:39,119
a standard hdmi on it

1402
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,240
so that's an example of you could stream

1403
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:44,559
martin anybody can you could just leave

1404
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,359
the camera out there on the tripod

1405
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,440
have it observe the sky like tonight for

1406
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:51,920
example and the next two nights and call

1407
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:55,200
it i will uh answer your call shortly

1408
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,640
um

1409
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,559
matter of fact caller i'm gonna pause

1410
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:00,480
put you on hold and i will get to you um

1411
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:03,920
as soon as i wrap up here a second

1412
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:06,720
so call it just be patient a second um

1413
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:08,720
the perceived meter shot was going on

1414
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:11,200
now the peak is tomorrow night

1415
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:13,359
um it's a thursday that's right

1416
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:15,839
up to 100 martin on if it's clear if the

1417
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:17,920
weather's permitting so i am tonight

1418
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:19,839
i'll be streaming on my channel bill ny

1419
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:22,240
skywatcher if the weather clears up

1420
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:24,000
tonight tomorrow night and thursday

1421
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:24,800
night

1422
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:26,800
and with this camera because of the low

1423
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:28,720
light resolution

1424
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:32,240
um the iso goes up to 400 0006 i think

1425
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:34,319
it is i can make

1426
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:36,800
nighttime look like daytime now it'll

1427
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:39,200
get extremely grainy the higher i go

1428
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,400
with the iso but it's amazing how much

1429
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:44,880
you can see with this camera that

1430
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:46,400
obviously you cannot see with the naked

1431
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:47,359
eye

1432
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:49,359
this camera picked up everything martin

1433
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:52,160
and it's it's absolutely stunning

1434
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:54,240
um to see all the meteors going on in

1435
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:57,200
the sky and i have a wide view uh lens

1436
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:59,200
uh field lens here and i have other

1437
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:00,800
lenses too but this one does a

1438
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:03,119
tremendous job for the sky watches so

1439
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:05,440
yeah i would i would it's a great it's a

1440
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:07,599
great hobby and if you're taking into

1441
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:10,319
something more serious for observations

1442
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:12,000
yeah this is this is the type of camera

1443
00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:14,559
you want to do that and i saw comments

1444
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:16,000
in your chat room

1445
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:17,760
all your opinions

1446
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:20,240
can possibly be the correct one when it

1447
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:21,760
comes to what i just showed on that

1448
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:23,040
video clip

1449
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:24,720
i don't know what it is and every

1450
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:26,079
opinion is

1451
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,160
equally important and i think it's

1452
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,960
important to post like a lot of times

1453
00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:32,800
people will send me videos i think it's

1454
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:34,000
really

1455
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:36,079
a great idea to post them in a public

1456
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:39,040
format um just to because someone might

1457
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:40,960
understand what it is you know the more

1458
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:42,880
eyes that look at it

1459
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:48,470
my take on things is i'm skeptical

1460
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:50,000
skeptical

1461
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:51,359
i'm a skeptic

1462
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:54,480
but i'm open-minded and i'm open to all

1463
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:55,599
um

1464
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:58,079
critique doesn't matter if it's negative

1465
00:53:01,510 --> 00:52:59,440
positive

1466
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,520
if if somebody says something that says

1467
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:03,119
you know what

1468
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:05,280
they got they they might be on something

1469
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:06,559
they're right

1470
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:09,119
i want that input i want people to let

1471
00:53:12,829 --> 00:53:10,160
me know

1472
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:12,839
um what they're thinking because it's

1473
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,720
constructive well let me ask you

1474
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:16,559
something on that video

1475
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:19,119
i noticed it sort of looked triangular

1476
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:21,040
and would that have anything to do with

1477
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:23,359
the camera lens the aperture nothing

1478
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:26,160
remember remember this is an old

1479
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:29,280
security camera oh okay anthony with the

1480
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:32,800
ir removed now if i caught something on

1481
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:35,520
this camera

1482
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:37,920
similar to that we would have seen a lot

1483
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:39,839
more detail yeah because the camera

1484
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,079
wouldn't have all that snow and it would

1485
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:44,400
just be a nice clear image and that's

1486
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,640
what i'm hoping to do martin you know i

1487
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:48,720
think to myself all the time everybody

1488
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:49,920
talks about

1489
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:53,440
they need evidence ufos all this stuff

1490
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:55,760
i may actually one day

1491
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:57,040
i may not

1492
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:58,960
i may actually get something

1493
00:54:01,349 --> 00:54:00,480
for real

1494
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:01,359
yeah

1495
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:03,760
undeniable now of course people will

1496
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:06,559
always be saying he photoshopped they'll

1497
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:09,760
try to debunk it but one day i hope that

1498
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:11,839
if i get something low altitude or it

1499
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:15,119
moves very unusually like 90 degree or

1500
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,400
something

1501
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:19,040
i but then again it could be a drone

1502
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:20,640
there's other you know there's rational

1503
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:23,280
explanations but i am looking for that

1504
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:24,640
one

1505
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:26,880
undeniable

1506
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:30,720
footage that says okay this is something

1507
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:33,440
not something that's grainy or

1508
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:35,760
it's somebody's moving the camera you

1509
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:36,799
know

1510
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:38,160
because that's a lot that has a lot of

1511
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:39,680
effect people are moving their cameras

1512
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:41,839
and it makes it oh yeah and the blurring

1513
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,319
yeah yeah i mean zigzags and all that i

1514
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:46,559
have this on a stationary

1515
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:48,799
tripod it's just capturing the sky in

1516
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:51,680
real time let me ask you something bill

1517
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:52,720
how can

1518
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:56,079
if you actually did film something today

1519
00:55:01,030 --> 00:55:00,000
with that camera and it was an amazing

1520
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:01,040
sighting

1521
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,440
and it was clear as a bell

1522
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:05,119
how would you prove

1523
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,359
can you prove that it was not doctored

1524
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:09,359
with

1525
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:11,359
well obviously if i'm streaming live

1526
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,400
martin

1527
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:14,480
no uh oh you're uh let's let's say

1528
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:16,400
you're not streaming live let's just say

1529
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:18,079
you you just drop your camera out and

1530
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:20,000
you're you're filming and you happen to

1531
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:21,520
look i'm recording

1532
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:23,040
i guess i would have to send the

1533
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:26,000
original memory card

1534
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:29,200
to go under analysis

1535
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:30,880
that it's not tampered

1536
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:32,720
um i would just have the thing as i'm

1537
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:34,880
worried about is this and i hate to

1538
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:36,640
bring your name into this but if i

1539
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:38,480
really caught something

1540
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:40,799
i'm making copies and i'm sending it out

1541
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:41,839
to

1542
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:44,640
individuals so you all have a copy

1543
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:47,200
yeah send one to seth schrosdeck because

1544
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,760
i you know you never know you never know

1545
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:51,599
what might happen

1546
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,200
because if you really capture something

1547
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:55,200
and this could be military in nature

1548
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:57,440
because i'm not far from the national

1549
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:58,799
guard base

1550
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:00,480
um like i said

1551
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:04,480
i'm i'm a skeptic but i'm objective

1552
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:06,079
i'm open-minded

1553
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:07,599
but i will never

1554
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:10,240
ever jump off the cliff

1555
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:12,319
so to speak to say it's this that or

1556
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:16,640
that one i don't know yeah i need to i

1557
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:18,799
yeah that's my phone going insane you

1558
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,480
know how when we're producers and stuff

1559
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:22,480
we're always busy but and i apologize

1560
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,599
for that but

1561
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:25,599
i would send it out to people that i i

1562
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:28,640
that i know that can analyze it

1563
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:30,400
um but i definitely wouldn't send it to

1564
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:32,240
the media

1565
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:33,040
yeah

1566
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:34,160
you know

1567
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,640
it happened in the past yeah

1568
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:38,640
well would there there would be a place

1569
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:40,640
for that if it was if it could be backed

1570
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:41,440
up

1571
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,720
you know i mean that would that would

1572
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:44,640
make the difference right i would rather

1573
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:46,720
send it to someone who's

1574
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:50,079
has a knowledge in analysis on video

1575
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:53,119
photo like mark d'antonio for one right

1576
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:54,640
oh i definitely go to him for opinions

1577
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:55,920
there's no doubt he's number one on my

1578
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:57,920
list he's a friend of mine yeah but i

1579
00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,240
also go to other people as well because

1580
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:02,160
you want to have multiple opinions just

1581
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:03,680
like going to a doctor you go for a

1582
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:05,200
second opinion if it's a serious

1583
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:07,119
diagnosis you want

1584
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:09,200
another opinion so i definitely go out

1585
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:11,280
to as many people as possible but what

1586
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:14,240
i'm saying is if you're not looking

1587
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:16,640
if you're not observing

1588
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:18,799
you won't like you said earlier about if

1589
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,079
you're not searching for things you

1590
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:22,559
you're never going to know yeah

1591
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:25,040
so at least i'm attempting

1592
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:28,480
to do footage you know recording live

1593
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:30,240
streaming of the sky because

1594
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:31,760
the hudson valley i'm in the hudson

1595
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:33,599
valley near pine bush you know we hear

1596
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:35,760
so much about this being the hot spot of

1597
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:38,480
activity i have a documented case

1598
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:41,920
1995 martin with uh new fork

1599
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:44,240
and that's 1995 before

1600
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:46,880
97 the phoenix lights

1601
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:48,240
i seen

1602
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:49,920
a boomerang i couldn't really tell if it

1603
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:51,359
was a boomerang or triangles it was at

1604
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:52,559
night

1605
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:55,200
june 10 1995 in new york city in the

1606
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:56,400
bronx when i was living in the bronx at

1607
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:59,280
the time wow and i didn't know who to i

1608
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:01,440
wasn't into all this stuff like

1609
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:02,720
you know i wasn't

1610
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:04,960
i mean as a little kid you know

1611
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:07,119
i talked about stuff but i never seen

1612
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:09,599
anything but that night at 11 o'clock at

1613
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:10,880
night

1614
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:12,640
um they had pocahontas showing in

1615
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:14,400
central park and it was there was a

1616
00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:16,000
thunderstorm tonight and i love weather

1617
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:18,160
i love looking outside the window and

1618
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:19,920
observing lightning and

1619
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:21,280
all of a sudden

1620
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:23,280
this thing goes over the house

1621
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:24,640
right over the house

1622
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:25,839
silent

1623
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:28,559
and i'm like what the heck was that

1624
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:30,720
so i was looking on the internet you

1625
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:33,119
know this is windows 95 days

1626
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:34,720
and i'm trying to figure out who i can

1627
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,480
contact about this and i've stumbled

1628
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:38,160
upon new fork

1629
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:41,359
and peter davenport emailed me back

1630
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:43,119
a few days later says bill you're not

1631
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:44,960
alone many people seen this from new

1632
00:58:49,829 --> 00:58:47,599
york city up the hudson river into

1633
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:49,839
canada

1634
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:51,520
actually have a model somebody made me

1635
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:52,799
of what i seen

1636
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:55,040
and it was the typical

1637
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:56,000
five

1638
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:57,920
bluish white lights

1639
00:59:03,270 --> 00:58:59,839
it was bluish white it was not it was

1640
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:03,280
like a bluish white tinged color

1641
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:05,760
silent and it went right over

1642
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:07,599
i was in mount talk a few years later

1643
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:08,480
because i've been going to mount song

1644
00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:10,240
since i was a child i go there every

1645
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:12,400
year vacationing

1646
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:14,799
i had an incredible experience on the

1647
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:16,480
beach

1648
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:17,760
um

1649
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:19,920
lights appeared over the ocean

1650
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:22,319
a guy runs out of his house uh that was

1651
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:24,480
past the dunes and he says i don't want

1652
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:26,160
to sound like i'm crazy or anything but

1653
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:27,359
did you see

1654
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:28,880
what i seen over the ocean i said yeah

1655
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:31,280
and i was with other people including my

1656
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:33,440
mother who ran to the hotel room because

1657
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:37,520
she was in fear of what was going on

1658
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:39,839
so then i move up here and i hear all

1659
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:42,000
about this hudson valley stuff and i

1660
00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:44,160
said now i really

1661
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:45,839
i really gotta you know turn this up a

1662
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:48,000
notch i was like everybody else and i

1663
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:51,359
still am i may be a producer at kgra and

1664
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:54,000
i'm blessed to be in company of you and

1665
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:56,960
all the other great hosts out there

1666
01:00:00,789 --> 00:59:58,960
but i'm just like everybody else uh

1667
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:00,799
looking for answers

1668
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:03,760
trying to learn information listening to

1669
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:06,640
everybody's opinions

1670
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:08,640
i'm just trying to learn too more about

1671
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:10,240
this topic

1672
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:12,720
because martin i i've experienced stuff

1673
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:14,880
myself now i don't know what it is

1674
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:17,359
is it military in nature

1675
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:19,920
is it something else i don't know but i

1676
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:23,119
want to know the truth and i hope before

1677
01:00:27,589 --> 01:00:25,520
i leave this existence

1678
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:27,599
that we learn more about this but i'm

1679
01:00:31,589 --> 01:00:29,359
not that's wishful thinking i don't

1680
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:31,599
think disclosure is going to come

1681
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:34,400
it's a slow drip drip drip you know

1682
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:36,559
but is it actually going to come out no

1683
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:38,319
because it's national security if you

1684
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:39,839
open that door

1685
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:42,000
you're also also opening pandora's box

1686
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:44,160
to everything that happened in the past

1687
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:45,440
and

1688
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:47,920
with the state of the way things are

1689
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,040
today

1690
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:51,680
that there is so much trust within uh

1691
01:00:54,829 --> 01:00:52,720
government

1692
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:54,839
what would happen if they were to come

1693
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:57,599
clean saying well you know what this

1694
01:01:02,069 --> 01:00:59,680
happened this you know

1695
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:02,079
forget about everything else is on on

1696
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:04,640
the table what about all the other

1697
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:06,799
things that happen like a big thing for

1698
01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:08,960
me martin

1699
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:11,920
was twa-800 i know this is a ufo show

1700
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:13,040
but

1701
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:15,280
what happened off of

1702
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:17,200
long island yeah yeah

1703
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:19,520
with all those witnesses

1704
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,640
yeah

1705
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:22,559
you know it's things like that so that

1706
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:24,960
would open up all these different

1707
01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:26,240
things that have happened in the past

1708
01:01:30,309 --> 01:01:28,799
that people question yeah

1709
01:01:33,750 --> 01:01:30,319
do you honestly think they want to do

1710
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:33,760
that and again on the national security

1711
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:35,200
guys

1712
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:37,920
no way they don't they're not they will

1713
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:40,640
not reveal it if they cannot you know

1714
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:42,960
that you have civilians

1715
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:44,640
in congress

1716
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:46,640
or president or whatever you think the

1717
01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:48,960
military is going to tell them

1718
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:50,240
information

1719
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:53,200
in the age of leaks where they can

1720
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:55,119
provide information even in a classified

1721
01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:56,559
setting do you honestly think they're

1722
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:58,400
going in willingly

1723
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:00,960
wanting to tell them what they know

1724
01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:02,160
because they know

1725
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:03,119
yeah

1726
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:04,960
um so yes sir you're bringing up a good

1727
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:07,760
point and and that is you know

1728
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:08,640
what

1729
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:10,960
i i would really think that they really

1730
01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:12,960
the military would love to wash their

1731
01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:15,520
hands of this whole thing once again

1732
01:02:19,029 --> 01:02:16,720
and uh

1733
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:19,039
and so be prepared for diversions right

1734
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:21,839
is that what we should be prepared for

1735
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:22,799
you know

1736
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:24,000
someone uh

1737
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:24,880
um

1738
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:29,280
videos were

1739
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:31,520
i gotta watch how i say this

1740
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:33,599
one of the videos that have a lot of

1741
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:37,280
publicity was released purposely knowing

1742
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:39,760
that it was not a good video

1743
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:43,200
and trying to mix it up trying to

1744
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:45,520
discredit people that were looking at it

1745
01:02:48,549 --> 01:02:46,960
seriously

1746
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:48,559
so um

1747
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:50,240
i don't know how much i can say about

1748
01:02:54,390 --> 01:02:52,240
this i was told this in confidence and

1749
01:02:55,589 --> 01:02:54,400
and it's a really good source

1750
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:55,599
but um

1751
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:57,680
but i find that interesting and i i'm

1752
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:00,880
not surprised think about this there was

1753
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:05,440
a hundred and what was it 143 143 exp uh

1754
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:07,599
unexplained and one exclusive balloon

1755
01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:08,880
okay

1756
01:03:12,549 --> 01:03:10,400
do you honestly think they're gonna

1757
01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:12,559
release the details because then our

1758
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:14,480
adversaries if they were to say it

1759
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:16,720
happened at such and such place on such

1760
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:18,720
and such date

1761
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:20,720
they have data that goes back they have

1762
01:03:24,150 --> 01:03:23,119
satellite imagery they will go back and

1763
01:03:26,150 --> 01:03:24,160
see what

1764
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:26,160
is reported in this if you make that

1765
01:03:28,950 --> 01:03:27,039
public

1766
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:28,960
our adversaries are going to say okay

1767
01:03:32,549 --> 01:03:30,640
they just said where this happened let's

1768
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:32,559
see let's go back and see if our

1769
01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:34,720
satellites picked up any activity i'm

1770
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:37,119
just i'm using that just as one example

1771
01:03:41,910 --> 01:03:39,599
do you honestly think they want to um

1772
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:41,920
leave that out to the public i don't

1773
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:43,680
yeah because that's national security

1774
01:03:46,870 --> 01:03:45,440
and i don't know if people like louis

1775
01:03:49,109 --> 01:03:46,880
lozando

1776
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:49,119
people say well why doesn't lou speak up

1777
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:50,880
because he'll go to jail he'll go to

1778
01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:52,480
prison

1779
01:03:56,549 --> 01:03:54,559
he's gonna talk about so much that's

1780
01:03:59,029 --> 01:03:56,559
right he's got a family

1781
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:59,039
you know and we have to think he's a

1782
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:00,480
human being and i'm just using it as an

1783
01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:02,880
example i'm not saying i'm pro or again

1784
01:04:07,029 --> 01:04:04,640
you know i'm just saying if you look at

1785
01:04:08,950 --> 01:04:07,039
it from a a logical perspective

1786
01:04:11,750 --> 01:04:08,960
these people

1787
01:04:14,069 --> 01:04:11,760
have to be careful what they say

1788
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:14,079
because they can get in a lot of trouble

1789
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:16,799
martin yeah um

1790
01:04:21,430 --> 01:04:19,520
so it's a comp it's complicated so do i

1791
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:21,440
think that we're gonna see disclosure i

1792
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:24,000
this i don't think so now unless there's

1793
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:25,039
a leak

1794
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:28,079
a video comes out or people step forward

1795
01:04:31,510 --> 01:04:29,680
and even if people step forward they're

1796
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:31,520
going to right away attack them destroy

1797
01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:33,680
their credibility they'll find any means

1798
01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:35,680
to destroy them well let me just let's

1799
01:04:39,670 --> 01:04:38,480
just put out a scenario say lou elizondo

1800
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:39,680
decides to

1801
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:41,440
say a little more than he really should

1802
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:42,880
say

1803
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:44,880
how would they make an example out of

1804
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:46,640
him would they try you think they would

1805
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:48,720
try to discredit him but they have

1806
01:04:51,829 --> 01:04:50,160
already

1807
01:04:53,829 --> 01:04:51,839
yeah actually you're right about that

1808
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:53,839
the pentagon denied for a while a

1809
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:55,039
spokesperson

1810
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:57,119
he had anything to do with the uh

1811
01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:59,119
yeah i've seen the emails when john

1812
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:01,440
greenwald i mean right yeah

1813
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:02,960
yeah i mean they will do whatever it

1814
01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:05,280
takes to

1815
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:07,440
make sure that people don't take you

1816
01:05:11,589 --> 01:05:08,559
seriously

1817
01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:11,599
yeah interesting um you know uh

1818
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:13,119
i love the fact that you just shared

1819
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:15,680
those ufo encounters that was really

1820
01:05:19,349 --> 01:05:17,680
good and i'm hoping that there are

1821
01:05:22,069 --> 01:05:19,359
people that are going to call in and

1822
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:22,079
continue that or or talk about this

1823
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:24,240
subject did do we still have that person

1824
01:05:27,430 --> 01:05:25,440
on hold

1825
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:27,440
no

1826
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:29,440
i i went off on one of my rants i

1827
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:31,440
apologize that's all right no you know

1828
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:33,839
what let peop i would i would really

1829
01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:35,280
love people all right we have a caller

1830
01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:36,160
now i'm just going to bring the caller

1831
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:38,799
right on let's just all right sure yeah

1832
01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:40,559
tell me when they're live they're on

1833
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:42,400
caller you are on the air we have no

1834
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:44,160
idea who you are where you're from could

1835
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:46,240
you please give us your first fight

1836
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:47,520
yeah

1837
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:52,559
producer i think you guys do a great

1838
01:05:54,549 --> 01:05:53,359
show

1839
01:05:56,230 --> 01:05:54,559
well thank you

1840
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:56,240
what's your name

1841
01:06:02,829 --> 01:06:00,160
oh uh keith hi keith

1842
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:02,839
hi i'm in new jersey

1843
01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:04,480
whoopee

1844
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:10,549
hello yeah you're there you're live

1845
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:13,200
okay um

1846
01:06:16,829 --> 01:06:14,720
uh i

1847
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:16,839
if you could bear with me i need your

1848
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:19,280
help okay

1849
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:20,160
all right

1850
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:21,520
um

1851
01:06:26,950 --> 01:06:24,720
i was thinking about it

1852
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:26,960
i i'm hearing somebody else saying where

1853
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:29,760
i'm from in the background

1854
01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:33,680
uh bill we may have an audio issue bill

1855
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:36,319
okay i'm hearing bill i guess

1856
01:06:40,470 --> 01:06:38,400
yeah um all right just

1857
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:40,480
try to ignore him if you can and and

1858
01:06:43,829 --> 01:06:42,400
you're on the air so keep going

1859
01:06:48,549 --> 01:06:43,839
anyway um

1860
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:51,109
you're still getting bill um

1861
01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:53,680
at least on my end um

1862
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:56,319
yeah my background is uh

1863
01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:58,880
kind of stupid uh i have a ba in

1864
01:07:02,549 --> 01:07:01,440
religion a ba in philosophy

1865
01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:02,559
and

1866
01:07:10,870 --> 01:07:08,799
psychology but i had a professor

1867
01:07:12,549 --> 01:07:10,880
who had a phd

1868
01:07:16,230 --> 01:07:12,559
in religion

1869
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:16,240
and in um psychology and was going for

1870
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:18,240
his phd in physics

1871
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:19,920
and one of the

1872
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:22,559
things he kept doing in his lectures he

1873
01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:24,720
kept uh merging

1874
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:27,280
the different languages

1875
01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:29,680
of these different disciplines

1876
01:07:35,029 --> 01:07:30,720
um

1877
01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:35,039
to kind of uh explain what was going on

1878
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:37,280
uh in terms of what we're experiencing

1879
01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:38,240
okay

1880
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:40,400
so anyway i'm sitting here and i'm

1881
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:42,480
listening to this ufo

1882
01:07:45,430 --> 01:07:43,760
phenomena

1883
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:45,440
and um

1884
01:07:56,630 --> 01:07:52,069
gosh i don't even know how to start um

1885
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:59,829
what i've discovered uh or at least i

1886
01:08:02,710 --> 01:08:00,960
thought of

1887
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:02,720
um

1888
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:07,920
religious texts like goku krishna

1889
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:10,400
paramahansa yogananda

1890
01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:13,280
of consciousness alexander david now

1891
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:15,119
talking about tupas

1892
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:16,080
um

1893
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:17,920
uh poltergeist

1894
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:21,440
robert manmo uh journeys out of the body

1895
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:24,799
as for astral projection in general and

1896
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:27,120
um so those are all indications that

1897
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:30,080
humanity has the ability to penetrate

1898
01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:32,799
into sort of interdimensional fields

1899
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:33,759
fine

1900
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:34,799
so

1901
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:35,759
why

1902
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:37,359
can't

1903
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:38,480
these

1904
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:41,199
dimensions

1905
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:42,480
interf uh

1906
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:44,799
interact with us and even manifest

1907
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:46,080
physically

1908
01:08:50,149 --> 01:08:47,279
pupas or

1909
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:50,159
alexander never david nell

1910
01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:52,480
said we're like manifestations of the

1911
01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:54,080
mind consciousness

1912
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:56,159
that um

1913
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:57,920
would physically

1914
01:09:03,189 --> 01:09:00,080
move things in the campsite and became

1915
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:03,199
annoying or at least one particular so

1916
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:05,120
all the monks had to sit down meditate

1917
01:09:09,430 --> 01:09:06,480
to get rid of it

1918
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:09,440
so the mind created that poltergeist is

1919
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:11,199
the same kind of thing especially with

1920
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:14,080
the phenomena with children

1921
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:15,600
so

1922
01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:16,880
i

1923
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:18,640
don't know

1924
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:22,799
how one approaches ufos without

1925
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:25,040
understanding that

1926
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:27,600
not only are we able to penetrate

1927
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:28,480
that

1928
01:09:32,309 --> 01:09:31,120
dimension but they're penetrating our

1929
01:09:35,349 --> 01:09:32,319
dimension

1930
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:35,359
and possibly being physical

1931
01:09:39,669 --> 01:09:37,199
and i kind of

1932
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:39,679
it makes sense it's a dialogue or a

1933
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:41,279
dialectic

1934
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:43,040
and um

1935
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:45,520
i don't know what you feel about that

1936
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:48,640
but um that was one thing and the other

1937
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:51,520
thing about the environment

1938
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,359
there was tons

1939
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:55,600
of people who remote viewed like da

1940
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:56,640
vinci

1941
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:58,960
did all the inventions chet snow did

1942
01:10:04,390 --> 01:10:00,960
math dreams of the future

1943
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:04,400
garden gordon scalia michael scallion

1944
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:06,400
did the whole thing with the maps and

1945
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:08,320
there's all these other future maps by

1946
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:10,640
all these other people

1947
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:11,360
but

1948
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:13,199
these timelines

1949
01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:16,800
never seem to manifest but yet show

1950
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:19,600
earth changes

1951
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:20,560
so

1952
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:21,600
i don't know

1953
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:23,040
we keep getting

1954
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:29,830
but sometimes they manifest and

1955
01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:32,080
sometimes they don't but i think the key

1956
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:36,080
point of why i was calling was that

1957
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:37,040
um

1958
01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:43,350
we are capable of penetrating

1959
01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:46,719
these other dimensions simply by

1960
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:48,480
our consciousness

1961
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:50,400
and that consciousness

1962
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:52,560
or that dimension

1963
01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:54,480
is also capable

1964
01:10:56,790 --> 01:10:55,360
of

1965
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:56,800
coming to us

1966
01:11:02,550 --> 01:10:59,920
and manifesting so throw the government

1967
01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:02,560
out i think the caller was right about

1968
01:11:05,910 --> 01:11:04,480
saying um

1969
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:05,920
basically

1970
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:08,080
that uh the government

1971
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:10,480
why would you trust them makes no sense

1972
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:13,440
and it's also a distraction

1973
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:14,640
um

1974
01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:16,080
and i don't know how you feel about any

1975
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:18,640
of this but um that was basically what i

1976
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:20,800
was thinking about

1977
01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:22,400
and

1978
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:27,760
like the baxter

1979
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:29,840
he did the whole thing with uh

1980
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:32,400
you know he hooked up plants and he

1981
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:35,040
discovered they had uh vibrations and

1982
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:37,440
then there was other kinds of uh

1983
01:11:42,149 --> 01:11:39,600
experiments done with vibrations and all

1984
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:42,159
that was shut down

1985
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:44,560
yeah right no no i've looked into that

1986
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:46,640
in the past that's very fascinating you

1987
01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:49,760
know i i've had people talk on this show

1988
01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:52,239
that have talked about you know the

1989
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:54,239
dimensions and that the possibility of

1990
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:55,760
and i think that is

1991
01:12:00,550 --> 01:11:58,480
definitely a possibility and you know

1992
01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:00,560
and then you mentioned something about

1993
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:03,280
we're possibly manifesting things and

1994
01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:06,560
and i i agree that could be part of it

1995
01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:08,320
too i think there could be a lot of

1996
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:10,159
possibilities of what

1997
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:11,920
of of what we're seeing and and

1998
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:14,400
interdimensional is definitely

1999
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,120
uh part of the puzzle or uh

2000
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:19,440
you know an idea of how the puzzle is

2001
01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:21,600
but anyway we have four i get i guess

2002
01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:24,400
it's four callers now on the line um so

2003
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:25,760
thanks so much for the call i really

2004
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:27,840
appreciate it so we got them lined up

2005
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:29,440
so

2006
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:31,600
thanks a lot take care yeah all right

2007
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:33,360
bill introducing his next caller go

2008
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:36,000
ahead dave dave in phoenix is on the

2009
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:37,440
line so dave you're on the line with

2010
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:39,840
martin willis hey dave you're live

2011
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:42,080
welcome to the show oh

2012
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:43,840
how are uh i was starting to get my sea

2013
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:45,280
legs watching you on your boat those

2014
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:47,520
last few shows there

2015
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:49,360
yeah i wondered how many people got

2016
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:51,040
seasick yeah

2017
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:53,040
yeah yeah no i i kind of missed it it

2018
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:54,080
was nice

2019
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:56,640
the outdoors there yeah just a couple of

2020
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:58,320
comments um

2021
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:00,239
you know talking about

2022
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:02,560
photographing ufos

2023
01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:05,520
a few years back travis walton had an

2024
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:07,760
event like back to back years probably

2025
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:10,480
2014 and 15

2026
01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:12,800
up in heber overguard

2027
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:15,360
uh you know right in the area where his

2028
01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:17,600
event took place

2029
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:20,320
the abduction event that is not the ufo

2030
01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:21,679
event he had

2031
01:13:27,350 --> 01:13:23,199
and

2032
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:27,360
the venue

2033
01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:28,560
and

2034
01:13:37,030 --> 01:13:35,360
super bright strange light in the sky um

2035
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:37,040
kind of started freaking me out because

2036
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:38,880
first i thought it was a helicopter

2037
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,480
it turns out it was a

2038
01:13:45,030 --> 01:13:42,400
missile launch

2039
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:45,040
a pacific from a submarine

2040
01:13:49,030 --> 01:13:47,679
and i was so stunned so shocked by what

2041
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:49,040
i was looking at because i had never

2042
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:50,800
seen anything like that

2043
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:53,360
i never even thought of pulling out my

2044
01:13:56,470 --> 01:13:54,880
phone and taking a picture

2045
01:13:57,990 --> 01:13:56,480
yeah it's my wife

2046
01:14:00,790 --> 01:13:58,000
who really doesn't have

2047
01:14:03,510 --> 01:14:00,800
much interest in the subject at all

2048
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:03,520
uh we're walking back in

2049
01:14:06,630 --> 01:14:04,719
and she's like did you get a picture i'm

2050
01:14:08,630 --> 01:14:06,640
like i no i didn't she's like oh here

2051
01:14:10,950 --> 01:14:08,640
i'm taking my phone you can

2052
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:10,960
i got plenty of pictures

2053
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:12,239
yeah so

2054
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:14,960
you know that's that's that's all i have

2055
01:14:18,550 --> 01:14:17,440
to say about that it's just not every

2056
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:18,560
you know if you're i think if you're

2057
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:20,560
into it

2058
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:22,400
you might just not think of grabbing

2059
01:14:26,229 --> 01:14:24,320
that phone i would just wanted to focus

2060
01:14:30,390 --> 01:14:26,239
on what i was seeing you know i i

2061
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:30,400
totally agree and and i i i was one time

2062
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:32,000
i was in boston

2063
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:35,280
in the uh commons and i was walking with

2064
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:38,159
my son and a blimp was going over

2065
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:40,080
and you know how fast the blimp goes it

2066
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:42,400
just barely moves and by the time i got

2067
01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:45,120
my phone out and the camera ready

2068
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:47,600
the blimp had disappeared

2069
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:50,320
so i mean if you have a sighting that is

2070
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:52,719
happening just for a couple of seconds

2071
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:55,199
you know you'll be really lucky if you

2072
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:56,960
can catch it

2073
01:15:00,790 --> 01:14:58,880
you know right get your camera on get

2074
01:15:01,990 --> 01:15:00,800
get the whole thing going and you know

2075
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:02,000
all that

2076
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:04,960
i mean the phone's you know in my hand

2077
01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:05,920
you know

2078
01:15:09,189 --> 01:15:08,080
maybe 10 minutes out of every hour at

2079
01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:09,199
that moment i never even thought of

2080
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:11,040
pulling it out

2081
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:12,239
that's right

2082
01:15:15,830 --> 01:15:13,760
anything else we got we got a calls

2083
01:15:18,390 --> 01:15:15,840
lined up anything else

2084
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:18,400
yeah one more thing

2085
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:20,000
the netflix

2086
01:15:26,950 --> 01:15:22,960
stock you series starting ufos the thing

2087
01:15:29,110 --> 01:15:26,960
that drives me nuts are the graphics

2088
01:15:31,110 --> 01:15:29,120
they're talking about ball of lightness

2089
01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:31,120
guy and they have these graphics

2090
01:15:34,950 --> 01:15:32,800
flashing across the screen of these

2091
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:34,960
massive ships with all these lights and

2092
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:36,239
it's like

2093
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:38,320
you know i think the attention span of

2094
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:39,679
the average adult

2095
01:15:43,270 --> 01:15:42,239
you know can focus on the topic that's

2096
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:43,280
being

2097
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:44,880
talked about and not have to have these

2098
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:47,040
images of

2099
01:15:51,750 --> 01:15:49,920
you know but spectacular things that

2100
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:51,760
dave i've gotta i've gotta because

2101
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:54,560
travis travis i i've met travis he

2102
01:15:57,510 --> 01:15:55,760
stayed in my home

2103
01:16:00,669 --> 01:15:57,520
and that's the one thing that really

2104
01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:00,679
bugged travis was the hollywood

2105
01:16:05,830 --> 01:16:03,679
exaggerated interpretation

2106
01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:05,840
of the events that unfolded they don't

2107
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:08,400
need to absolutely this is what they do

2108
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:12,320
to garner attention to get viewers

2109
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:14,080
that's what they do that's how they

2110
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:16,480
attract people to look at it now for

2111
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:19,679
people like martin myself and probably

2112
01:16:23,110 --> 01:16:21,120
everybody that's viewing and listening

2113
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:23,120
to this program that are more familiar

2114
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:25,280
with us with the subject matter

2115
01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:28,239
we know you know we know the the details

2116
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:31,040
and the innuendos but for the for the

2117
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:33,120
main public for

2118
01:16:37,270 --> 01:16:35,040
they're just trying to get them to get

2119
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:37,280
interested into it and they give it that

2120
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:39,040
eye candy so to speak

2121
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:39,920
to

2122
01:16:45,910 --> 01:16:44,640
people like us we're like oh come on now

2123
01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:45,920
really

2124
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:49,040
give james fox

2125
01:16:54,709 --> 01:16:51,600
a ton of credit for for his

2126
01:16:56,550 --> 01:16:54,719
you know documentary phenomenon because

2127
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:56,560
he didn't go into that

2128
01:16:59,669 --> 01:16:57,520
you know

2129
01:17:01,669 --> 01:16:59,679
exaggerated matter of fact

2130
01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:01,679
i think martin may comment on this part

2131
01:17:06,149 --> 01:17:03,920
when randall nick or nickerson when he's

2132
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:06,159
making this movie with the children

2133
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:08,640
uh the zimbabwe case he didn't he say on

2134
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:09,840
your show martin that he's not going to

2135
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:12,960
use any not much graphics at all it's

2136
01:17:17,430 --> 01:17:14,640
all going to be about them didn't he say

2137
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:17,440
that on your show i i believe so

2138
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:19,520
and and by the way i get email every

2139
01:17:22,870 --> 01:17:21,040
week about that and i mentioned i think

2140
01:17:24,229 --> 01:17:22,880
i mentioned it last week that we will

2141
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:24,239
see that

2142
01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:26,239
before the year is out that's all i know

2143
01:17:30,630 --> 01:17:29,120
it's going to be on a major

2144
01:17:31,990 --> 01:17:30,640
i don't know how much i can say but we

2145
01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:32,000
will see it

2146
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:33,440
go ahead you're going to use graphics

2147
01:17:36,470 --> 01:17:35,440
even even seth reid love if you ever you

2148
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:36,480
know his

2149
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:38,719
series that he has on amazon small town

2150
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:42,320
monsters um the graphics are relevant to

2151
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:44,640
what's being spoken about right you know

2152
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:46,480
that's that's that's nice

2153
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:48,320
but that's it thanks for your time and

2154
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:50,719
martin uh heather does say hello again

2155
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:53,040
oh hey it's you oh i didn't know what

2156
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:54,239
you meant

2157
01:17:57,430 --> 01:17:56,239
good to hear from you i'll say hi to

2158
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:57,440
heather

2159
01:18:01,189 --> 01:17:59,520
all right so have a great night david

2160
01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:01,199
thanks talking to you all right yeah

2161
01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:03,600
thanks bill thanks bye-bye yeah i hung

2162
01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:06,400
out with uh with uh him and and his wife

2163
01:18:10,709 --> 01:18:08,800
remember the norway spiral and that yeah

2164
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:10,719
yeah that was a missile launch out of

2165
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:12,800
control and kind of a thing yeah

2166
01:18:16,630 --> 01:18:14,080
and it happens all the time over

2167
01:18:18,950 --> 01:18:16,640
california florida the missile launches

2168
01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:18,960
can be really spectacular i had a friend

2169
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:20,239
i should just tell this story real

2170
01:18:22,950 --> 01:18:21,120
quickly

2171
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:22,960
i met up with a friend a long time

2172
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:25,040
friend and he was happen to be up in the

2173
01:18:27,189 --> 01:18:26,400
area where i live

2174
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:27,199
and

2175
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:29,440
he was out in sedona

2176
01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:32,400
um i think a month or two ago

2177
01:18:36,229 --> 01:18:34,640
and there was the google something

2178
01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:36,239
flying over he didn't know what it was

2179
01:18:41,110 --> 01:18:38,239
all the lights were lined up perfectly

2180
01:18:42,630 --> 01:18:41,120
he thought for sure he was filming

2181
01:18:43,990 --> 01:18:42,640
stallings maybe

2182
01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:44,000
yeah that's exactly what it was

2183
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:46,800
starlings and um he thought for sure

2184
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:48,800
everyone thought they were watching ufo

2185
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:54,630
it is it's wild to see it they're all

2186
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:56,880
lined up sometimes there's two

2187
01:19:02,390 --> 01:18:59,840
it is i actually pick up sometimes i see

2188
01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:02,400
three satellites moving together i don't

2189
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:04,000
know what they are but it happens once

2190
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:05,679
in a while i'll see three satellites

2191
01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:07,199
moving together

2192
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:08,800
it's it is interesting but it's

2193
01:19:14,310 --> 01:19:12,000
satellites anyway we have ra

2194
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:14,320
rob from pennsylvania is on the line rob

2195
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:16,000
you're on with martin willis

2196
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:17,040
hey rob

2197
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:18,080
hello

2198
01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:20,640
hi hi martin hey bill thanks for doing

2199
01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:24,159
the show i love it great um

2200
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:25,760
with respect to what you guys were

2201
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:27,600
talking about disclosure but by the

2202
01:19:34,470 --> 01:19:33,189
oh yeah

2203
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:34,480
i can hear bill in the background as

2204
01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:35,280
well

2205
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:36,719
uh okay

2206
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:38,800
so bill just to let you know can you are

2207
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:41,199
you able to mute yourself when uh

2208
01:19:44,310 --> 01:19:43,120
or or something because uh the callers

2209
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:44,320
are hearing you in the background i

2210
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:46,080
don't know what you can do to change

2211
01:19:49,510 --> 01:19:48,159
that but anyway uh bill i don't know if

2212
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:49,520
you just heard anything i just said we

2213
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:51,679
need to mute you when you're talking to

2214
01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:53,280
someone or something oh did you hear me

2215
01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:54,800
or something uh we didn't hear you but

2216
01:20:00,550 --> 01:19:56,080
the caller

2217
01:20:02,149 --> 01:20:00,560
continue on if you would please

2218
01:20:03,510 --> 01:20:02,159
oh yeah um

2219
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:03,520
well

2220
01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:05,600
about the the government disclosing

2221
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:06,800
information

2222
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:07,760
i

2223
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:15,120
however

2224
01:20:19,750 --> 01:20:17,120
if you do want more we really need to

2225
01:20:21,910 --> 01:20:19,760
get behind lou alizondo and chris mellon

2226
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:21,920
um you know write your congressmen your

2227
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:23,520
senators or whatever

2228
01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:26,400
um and try to help them out

2229
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:28,480
um and i know there's this thing about

2230
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:30,080
disclosure people always talk about

2231
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:31,920
disclosure

2232
01:20:35,669 --> 01:20:33,520
and in my opinion

2233
01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:35,679
we've already had disclosure you know if

2234
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:37,760
you look at all the things that happened

2235
01:20:42,629 --> 01:20:39,840
over the decades

2236
01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:42,639
even just from the 1940s or 50s at

2237
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:44,320
schools and

2238
01:20:48,070 --> 01:20:46,400
other great events like 1952 in

2239
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:48,080
washington dc

2240
01:20:53,590 --> 01:20:50,320
yeah um or the phoenix lights i mean

2241
01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:53,600
holy cow and there's tons more there's a

2242
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:56,960
1976 uh the canary islands

2243
01:21:00,709 --> 01:20:59,520
they had photographs of this thing

2244
01:21:01,510 --> 01:21:00,719
um

2245
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:01,520
so

2246
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:06,390
just feels like uh

2247
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:08,080
what we're looking for from the

2248
01:21:10,629 --> 01:21:09,040
government

2249
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:10,639
shouldn't be necessary

2250
01:21:16,149 --> 01:21:13,600
but i think it'll be a very interesting

2251
01:21:18,229 --> 01:21:16,159
yeah i think bryce zabal who's been on

2252
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:18,239
this show a number of times

2253
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:20,400
shared your view he said disclosure's

2254
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:21,840
already happened

2255
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:23,520
you know and this is uh

2256
01:21:27,189 --> 01:21:25,280
i think he called it soft disclosure or

2257
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:27,199
whatever he calls it but uh

2258
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:29,520
a brilliant mind taking a look at this

2259
01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:32,480
topic but uh yeah for the government to

2260
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:34,560
actually i mean for what they've

2261
01:21:39,350 --> 01:21:36,400
admitted

2262
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:39,360
i think is a kind of a big deal you know

2263
01:21:41,750 --> 01:21:40,719
but i don't know

2264
01:21:42,870 --> 01:21:41,760
what it

2265
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:42,880
what is

2266
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:44,960
the the definition of this type of

2267
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:46,800
disclosure i don't really know does that

2268
01:21:51,430 --> 01:21:48,639
mean that

2269
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:51,440
um you know a majority of the population

2270
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:53,440
is going to

2271
01:21:57,590 --> 01:21:55,280
believe that or believe i don't know if

2272
01:21:59,669 --> 01:21:57,600
believe is the right word or or see the

2273
01:22:01,830 --> 01:21:59,679
evidence or look into the evidence

2274
01:22:02,629 --> 01:22:01,840
evidence and and and not

2275
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:02,639
uh

2276
01:22:07,110 --> 01:22:05,360
you know just disregard it as nothing i

2277
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:07,120
don't know

2278
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:09,520
exactly if if we can plan on that to

2279
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:11,040
ever happen or not you know i mean the

2280
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:12,239
old

2281
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:13,600
saying about them landing on the white

2282
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:14,880
house lawn i don't know why they'd want

2283
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:16,480
to land there but

2284
01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:17,440
anyway

2285
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:19,280
yeah i don't know what what it would

2286
01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:21,840
take to convince the public i do think

2287
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:24,719
that the public is much more

2288
01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:27,600
convinced than ever i was with my friend

2289
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:30,080
last week and we were at a house uh to

2290
01:22:34,390 --> 01:22:32,000
buy a patio set

2291
01:22:36,629 --> 01:22:34,400
and uh we were we started talking about

2292
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:36,639
ufos and and

2293
01:22:41,590 --> 01:22:38,960
brought that subject up i should say and

2294
01:22:43,350 --> 01:22:41,600
that that person like oh yeah i know all

2295
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:43,360
about the navy and the you know the

2296
01:22:46,950 --> 01:22:45,600
pentagon and like so that's just someone

2297
01:22:49,350 --> 01:22:46,960
watching the news

2298
01:22:51,750 --> 01:22:49,360
and um so it's very helpful when the

2299
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:51,760
media actually takes a serious look i

2300
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:53,360
think it does

2301
01:22:57,510 --> 01:22:55,600
make people want to get more curious

2302
01:23:00,310 --> 01:22:57,520
about the topic

2303
01:23:01,750 --> 01:23:00,320
i agree and i do i also think like what

2304
01:23:03,750 --> 01:23:01,760
you're talking about the media is taking

2305
01:23:05,590 --> 01:23:03,760
it more seriously now there's less

2306
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:05,600
giggling going on and laughing when

2307
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:08,159
they're talking about it that's true

2308
01:23:11,430 --> 01:23:09,840
yeah and great points right you made

2309
01:23:13,510 --> 01:23:11,440
great points because i think there are

2310
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:13,520
two types of disclosures one that we're

2311
01:23:18,629 --> 01:23:15,360
waiting for the government to come out

2312
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:18,639
with and yes we see it all around this

2313
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:20,400
all the time and going and if you look

2314
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:22,239
back in history like you said 52 over

2315
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:25,840
washington dc i mean come on

2316
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:27,120
it's right there

2317
01:23:30,070 --> 01:23:28,080
i mean

2318
01:23:33,990 --> 01:23:30,080
yeah but they were they were saying that

2319
01:23:34,950 --> 01:23:34,000
was refl refractions or something

2320
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:34,960
yeah

2321
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:39,040
where they should land on the washington

2322
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:41,040
or on the white house lawn they were

2323
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:42,400
everywhere but

2324
01:23:48,070 --> 01:23:45,280
you know they were everywhere the uh

2325
01:23:50,149 --> 01:23:48,080
the the headlines for i think the i know

2326
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:50,159
maybe washington tape washington

2327
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:53,440
newspaper the headline the main headline

2328
01:23:57,030 --> 01:23:55,120
was not for the democratic national

2329
01:23:59,189 --> 01:23:57,040
convention as the democrats wanted they

2330
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:59,199
wanted publicity for their convention it

2331
01:24:03,030 --> 01:24:01,120
was about the washington dc it was

2332
01:24:05,990 --> 01:24:03,040
everywhere

2333
01:24:07,110 --> 01:24:06,000
right you know i i spoke to i don't know

2334
01:24:09,189 --> 01:24:07,120
if you've ever had them on the show

2335
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:09,199
martin and by the way thank you for the

2336
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:10,560
call rob

2337
01:24:13,030 --> 01:24:12,000
you're welcome and you have a great

2338
01:24:14,550 --> 01:24:13,040
night

2339
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:14,560
bye-bye bye-bye

2340
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:16,080
and there's there's we have more callers

2341
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:17,440
lined up but

2342
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:19,360
i spoke to i'm a good friend with dan

2343
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:20,560
willis i don't know if you've ever had

2344
01:24:25,270 --> 01:24:23,120
uh had him on he was part of the 2001

2345
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:25,280
um hearing that they had in washington

2346
01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:27,520
the national press club thing that

2347
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:29,040
doctor yes

2348
01:24:34,229 --> 01:24:31,600
that was in 2000 oh and with grier yes

2349
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:34,239
it was yeah yeah 2001. yep and he told

2350
01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:34,960
me

2351
01:24:38,950 --> 01:24:37,120
that it was a this was big martin for

2352
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:38,960
that time they had a lot of

2353
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:41,440
interesting people on that panel

2354
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:43,360
and he says bill you know what happens

2355
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:45,120
they were the media was covering it and

2356
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:47,840
all of a sudden they lost all signal

2357
01:24:50,629 --> 01:24:49,120
ah

2358
01:24:52,229 --> 01:24:50,639
he told me that they said all the media

2359
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:52,239
coverage stopped

2360
01:24:56,950 --> 01:24:54,960
um like it was cut

2361
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:56,960
wow they didn't want that to go out to

2362
01:25:00,390 --> 01:24:58,560
the public

2363
01:25:02,629 --> 01:25:00,400
that's amazing i never heard that part

2364
01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:02,639
yeah he told me that and i i mean i can

2365
01:25:08,149 --> 01:25:05,040
get get dan willis on the show he's a

2366
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:08,159
former navy uh retired navy he hadn't he

2367
01:25:12,870 --> 01:25:10,320
had he witnessed something while he was

2368
01:25:15,189 --> 01:25:12,880
out at sea um and that's how he got

2369
01:25:16,629 --> 01:25:15,199
involved in that whole disclosure yeah

2370
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:16,639
no i'd like to i'd like to talk to him

2371
01:25:22,470 --> 01:25:19,520
some uh so yeah i mean there's so many

2372
01:25:23,990 --> 01:25:22,480
people out there so many credible

2373
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:24,000
witnesses

2374
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:26,400
a circumstantial alone

2375
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:28,960
um let alone what like rob discussed all

2376
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:30,800
these different cases where multiple

2377
01:25:34,390 --> 01:25:32,400
witnesses it is soft disclosure it's

2378
01:25:35,750 --> 01:25:34,400
already around us yeah

2379
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:35,760
i'm gonna throw this out i'm gonna throw

2380
01:25:40,629 --> 01:25:37,360
this out one more time if anyone knows

2381
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:40,639
how to reach alex dietrich um all i can

2382
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:41,920
get is a

2383
01:25:47,189 --> 01:25:43,840
she was the uh pilot that actually saw

2384
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:47,199
the tic tac off the nimitz in 2004. i've

2385
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:48,960
been trying to reach her to get her on

2386
01:25:53,430 --> 01:25:50,960
this show and all i have is a twitter

2387
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:53,440
handle can't get anywhere but anyway uh

2388
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:55,199
if anyone knows how to reach her i would

2389
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:57,040
love to get connected with you continue

2390
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:58,639
there's two more callers i can't take

2391
01:26:02,310 --> 01:26:00,880
them until i have because i don't want

2392
01:26:03,830 --> 01:26:02,320
nobody on the line to hear me your

2393
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:03,840
callers while i'm doing it so i'll be

2394
01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:06,080
right back yeah all right

2395
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:13,510
okay i guess he was saying that he needs

2396
01:26:17,590 --> 01:26:15,520
to talk to them uh but we do have

2397
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:17,600
callers waiting on the line and another

2398
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:19,600
bill is uh taking another caller right

2399
01:26:22,870 --> 01:26:20,400
now

2400
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:22,880
so uh we'll get right to that caller in

2401
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:24,719
just a minute so next week just to let

2402
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:27,440
you know i have uh an interesting show

2403
01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:29,760
uh someone contacted me and said hey

2404
01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:31,840
they know someone that uh is called the

2405
01:26:34,870 --> 01:26:33,920
auction professor or the art professor

2406
01:26:36,870 --> 01:26:34,880
on youtube

2407
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:36,880
has a lot of followers and he talked

2408
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:38,400
about having a

2409
01:26:42,070 --> 01:26:41,040
tic tac ufo experience 30 years ago in

2410
01:26:44,229 --> 01:26:42,080
florida

2411
01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:44,239
so uh he's going to be on our show next

2412
01:26:47,510 --> 01:26:46,400
week so uh come back make sure you come

2413
01:26:48,709 --> 01:26:47,520
back it's the first time he's going to

2414
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:48,719
talk about it

2415
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:50,400
on a ufo show we actually talked about

2416
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:52,320
it on his youtube channel bill are we

2417
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:54,719
ready for a caller

2418
01:26:59,510 --> 01:26:58,080
we've got i think we have all the

2419
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:59,520
callers we can take right now martin

2420
01:27:04,629 --> 01:27:00,880
because we have about 20 minutes we have

2421
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:04,639
five callers so the next caller is let

2422
01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:06,480
me make sure i press the right one

2423
01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:08,480
we have carrie from california carrie

2424
01:27:14,950 --> 01:27:10,480
you're on with martin willis oh carrie

2425
01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:14,960
hi carrie how are you hi martin i'm fine

2426
01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:17,440
good to hear from you again

2427
01:27:21,510 --> 01:27:19,679
my pleasure always a great show as usual

2428
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:21,520
it's funny with the thing here about

2429
01:27:25,910 --> 01:27:23,840
disclosure um talk about synchronicity

2430
01:27:27,189 --> 01:27:25,920
um yesterday on a really great station

2431
01:27:29,910 --> 01:27:27,199
kgra

2432
01:27:33,189 --> 01:27:29,920
uh lyndon open how and john burroughs

2433
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:33,199
was interviewing george knapp and um you

2434
01:27:36,470 --> 01:27:34,080
know they were talking about the

2435
01:27:38,550 --> 01:27:36,480
disclosure disclosure and george knapp

2436
01:27:40,950 --> 01:27:38,560
of course skinwalker ranch

2437
01:27:42,470 --> 01:27:40,960
and he was saying really everybody says

2438
01:27:44,550 --> 01:27:42,480
they're ready for disclosure he goes

2439
01:27:46,709 --> 01:27:44,560
would you be ready if we came out and

2440
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:46,719
found out that reality is not really

2441
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:48,719
reality that we think we are that we are

2442
01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:51,280
being influenced that this is nothing

2443
01:27:55,669 --> 01:27:53,760
like i guess sort of like the matrix

2444
01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:55,679
and i never thought of it that way you

2445
01:28:00,709 --> 01:27:57,120
know all the stuff that goes on at

2446
01:28:02,950 --> 01:28:00,719
skinwalker the paranormal the portals

2447
01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:02,960
what if this is all

2448
01:28:05,910 --> 01:28:04,480
just the one thing

2449
01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:05,920
and that you know we're all looking for

2450
01:28:10,629 --> 01:28:08,960
like beings from space or time or

2451
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:10,639
you know galaxies or something like that

2452
01:28:16,229 --> 01:28:13,520
when actuality i mean

2453
01:28:18,470 --> 01:28:16,239
it could be much more unsettling to many

2454
01:28:20,149 --> 01:28:18,480
of us here trying to live our lives

2455
01:28:22,149 --> 01:28:20,159
than if we didn't know what was going on

2456
01:28:23,590 --> 01:28:22,159
and i never took it in that context and

2457
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:23,600
i thought that was pretty interesting

2458
01:28:26,470 --> 01:28:25,280
that you said that

2459
01:28:28,470 --> 01:28:26,480
i do too and

2460
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:28,480
i

2461
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:42,560
phenomena

2462
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:44,320
so many different types of things going

2463
01:28:50,229 --> 01:28:48,000
on in one place bizarre exactly really

2464
01:28:52,070 --> 01:28:50,239
exactly and they're probably all related

2465
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:52,080
somehow you know someday we'll know but

2466
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:54,480
it's just like kind of mind-boggling

2467
01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:56,000
um the other thing i was going to say is

2468
01:29:01,189 --> 01:28:58,320
like there's so many interesting things

2469
01:29:02,790 --> 01:29:01,199
that happened down in south america um

2470
01:29:04,310 --> 01:29:02,800
the gentleman before talking about

2471
01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:04,320
interesting cases

2472
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:06,320
um there was a great show on called

2473
01:29:10,070 --> 01:29:08,400
contact i don't know why they took it

2474
01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:10,080
off after one season but they did a lot

2475
01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:11,600
of stuff down in south america there was

2476
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:13,280
like actually a crash site that they

2477
01:29:17,189 --> 01:29:14,560
went up into the mountains and saw it

2478
01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:17,199
where nothing was growing the u.s

2479
01:29:20,390 --> 01:29:18,480
military got involved with that

2480
01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:20,400
retrieval down there

2481
01:29:23,910 --> 01:29:22,400
water and reservoirs disappearing and

2482
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:23,920
just really interesting stuff but the

2483
01:29:28,470 --> 01:29:25,920
last thing that they did what was

2484
01:29:30,229 --> 01:29:28,480
interesting was coloris down in brazil

2485
01:29:31,830 --> 01:29:30,239
if you remember that where the saucers

2486
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:31,840
were shooting down raves and hurting

2487
01:29:34,470 --> 01:29:33,440
people

2488
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:34,480
i don't know if you ever heard of that

2489
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:37,280
one no i don't think so

2490
01:29:39,910 --> 01:29:38,880
oh it's a real interesting case it was

2491
01:29:42,629 --> 01:29:39,920
back in

2492
01:29:44,149 --> 01:29:42,639
i think the early 60s and they got to be

2493
01:29:45,350 --> 01:29:44,159
the nurse who were treating the patients

2494
01:29:46,709 --> 01:29:45,360
but

2495
01:29:48,629 --> 01:29:46,719
the ships were going around and shooting

2496
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:48,639
down rays on people and causing burns on

2497
01:29:54,149 --> 01:29:51,280
their oh yes yes i know of that yes

2498
01:29:56,629 --> 01:29:54,159
that was awful right yeah that was that

2499
01:29:58,550 --> 01:29:56,639
was really awful and what they found out

2500
01:30:00,070 --> 01:29:58,560
at the end which they were going to come

2501
01:30:02,149 --> 01:30:00,080
into the next season

2502
01:30:03,910 --> 01:30:02,159
is that all the records on the cases

2503
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:03,920
down there and everything that happened

2504
01:30:09,030 --> 01:30:07,440
went to a mr robert bigelow

2505
01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:09,040
i thought that was really interesting

2506
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:10,400
and they were going to try and do that

2507
01:30:14,229 --> 01:30:11,840
in the next season but somehow they

2508
01:30:15,910 --> 01:30:14,239
never got renewed but uh i think that's

2509
01:30:16,870 --> 01:30:15,920
another interesting case because you

2510
01:30:18,629 --> 01:30:16,880
know that's

2511
01:30:20,790 --> 01:30:18,639
kind of stands out there's some

2512
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:20,800
hostilities there i would say

2513
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:22,639
yeah if that's the right case i'm

2514
01:30:25,110 --> 01:30:24,320
thinking of i think someone involved in

2515
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:25,120
that

2516
01:30:27,830 --> 01:30:26,400
um

2517
01:30:29,270 --> 01:30:27,840
went through a severe depression

2518
01:30:30,790 --> 01:30:29,280
afterwards and

2519
01:30:33,030 --> 01:30:30,800
basically committed suicide if that's

2520
01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:33,040
the one i'm thinking of in brazil i

2521
01:30:37,110 --> 01:30:34,880
think that's the same one where there

2522
01:30:39,189 --> 01:30:37,120
were the burns and all that

2523
01:30:40,709 --> 01:30:39,199
but uh carrie thank you

2524
01:30:43,270 --> 01:30:40,719
thank you so much for the call and your

2525
01:30:45,270 --> 01:30:43,280
nice emails that kerry lived lives in a

2526
01:30:47,590 --> 01:30:45,280
town i used to live in out there in

2527
01:30:49,750 --> 01:30:47,600
california so it's always good to hear

2528
01:30:51,270 --> 01:30:49,760
from you carrie all right my pleasure i

2529
01:30:52,550 --> 01:30:51,280
said i could i still have to get you

2530
01:30:54,550 --> 01:30:52,560
those pictures which will happen one of

2531
01:30:56,229 --> 01:30:54,560
these days shortly

2532
01:30:58,390 --> 01:30:56,239
okay i'm just having a little bit of

2533
01:30:59,830 --> 01:30:58,400
trouble understanding how well if it's

2534
01:31:02,070 --> 01:30:59,840
the phone

2535
01:31:03,590 --> 01:31:02,080
or or it's my headset i didn't quite

2536
01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:03,600
catch that

2537
01:31:07,910 --> 01:31:05,280
oh i said i still have to get you some

2538
01:31:09,030 --> 01:31:07,920
pictures of out here oh yes

2539
01:31:10,629 --> 01:31:09,040
yes

2540
01:31:12,790 --> 01:31:10,639
yeah all right carrie thanks a lot for

2541
01:31:14,950 --> 01:31:12,800
the call have a good night you too

2542
01:31:16,870 --> 01:31:14,960
youtube take care bye yeah all right we

2543
01:31:19,270 --> 01:31:16,880
have sam

2544
01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:19,280
in oregon online sam you're on with

2545
01:31:23,750 --> 01:31:22,480
martin willis yes you're live hi sarah

2546
01:31:24,870 --> 01:31:23,760
hi

2547
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:24,880
hello

2548
01:31:31,110 --> 01:31:28,080
hey martin hey bill hi how are you

2549
01:31:32,709 --> 01:31:31,120
i'm good how you guys doing today good

2550
01:31:34,229 --> 01:31:32,719
cool cool i gotta admit this is the

2551
01:31:36,149 --> 01:31:34,239
first time i've came across your guys's

2552
01:31:37,189 --> 01:31:36,159
channel i'm a huge fan now

2553
01:31:39,590 --> 01:31:37,199
all right

2554
01:31:42,310 --> 01:31:39,600
usually i'm just producing martin and

2555
01:31:44,709 --> 01:31:42,320
martin has great guests on but uh we've

2556
01:31:46,790 --> 01:31:44,719
been doing these open line calls and all

2557
01:31:48,870 --> 01:31:46,800
of you have been and tremendous with

2558
01:31:50,310 --> 01:31:48,880
your calls i have to say every call has

2559
01:31:52,229 --> 01:31:50,320
been awesome so

2560
01:31:55,110 --> 01:31:52,239
thank you for calling in sam what's your

2561
01:31:56,950 --> 01:31:55,120
question or comment to martin

2562
01:31:58,790 --> 01:31:56,960
oh cool i have kind of vote first i want

2563
01:32:00,550 --> 01:31:58,800
to give a shout out i'm part of a really

2564
01:32:02,070 --> 01:32:00,560
awesome ufo community

2565
01:32:04,629 --> 01:32:02,080
kind of an offshoot of ufo twitter

2566
01:32:06,390 --> 01:32:04,639
there's a discord channel

2567
01:32:08,709 --> 01:32:06,400
reddit ufo and then there's another one

2568
01:32:11,110 --> 01:32:08,719
where we kind of focus a lot on cases

2569
01:32:13,830 --> 01:32:11,120
like chris bledsoe

2570
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:13,840
call it bloodzoology and uh there we

2571
01:32:16,629 --> 01:32:15,120
have a lot of really great independent

2572
01:32:18,550 --> 01:32:16,639
researchers and we've been looking into

2573
01:32:20,310 --> 01:32:18,560
some of this stuff for a long time

2574
01:32:21,590 --> 01:32:20,320
and um it's just really interesting to

2575
01:32:23,910 --> 01:32:21,600
see it kind of bubble up now in the

2576
01:32:24,950 --> 01:32:23,920
mainstream um i have a quick question i

2577
01:32:27,030 --> 01:32:24,960
want to know if you guys are familiar

2578
01:32:29,669 --> 01:32:27,040
with the dorothy isaac case

2579
01:32:32,950 --> 01:32:29,679
i'm not martin

2580
01:32:34,550 --> 01:32:32,960
boy hearing a lot of new ones tonight

2581
01:32:35,910 --> 01:32:34,560
yeah she's kind of a tertiary character

2582
01:32:36,950 --> 01:32:35,920
but uh there's actually a documentary

2583
01:32:38,830 --> 01:32:36,960
about her

2584
01:32:40,790 --> 01:32:38,840
on amazon

2585
01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:40,800
um and essentially she was one of the

2586
01:32:44,470 --> 01:32:42,400
few people who was able to capture a lot

2587
01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:44,480
of phenomenon on video um actually she

2588
01:32:48,390 --> 01:32:46,960
was using like old film you know uh the

2589
01:32:49,830 --> 01:32:48,400
old eight millimeter cameras that kind

2590
01:32:51,430 --> 01:32:49,840
of stuff sam what's the name of that

2591
01:32:53,189 --> 01:32:51,440
documentary what's the name i didn't

2592
01:32:54,950 --> 01:32:53,199
mean to interrupt i'm trying to remember

2593
01:32:57,669 --> 01:32:54,960
the name of it uh

2594
01:33:01,990 --> 01:32:57,679
um capture the lights

2595
01:33:04,470 --> 01:33:02,000
but dorothy isaac i-z-a-t-t

2596
01:33:06,629 --> 01:33:04,480
amazing figure um her and another woman

2597
01:33:08,149 --> 01:33:06,639
i'm drawing a blank on her name as well

2598
01:33:10,709 --> 01:33:08,159
but we're all around the same time we're

2599
01:33:12,550 --> 01:33:10,719
able to capture a phenomenon that was

2600
01:33:14,870 --> 01:33:12,560
unexplainable through their uh their

2601
01:33:16,790 --> 01:33:14,880
tiny little film cameras um lights in

2602
01:33:18,550 --> 01:33:16,800
the sky all kinds of you know really

2603
01:33:20,950 --> 01:33:18,560
interesting stuff but i mean i could go

2604
01:33:22,149 --> 01:33:20,960
on for days about that um but since you

2605
01:33:23,590 --> 01:33:22,159
guys aren't familiar with the case i'd

2606
01:33:25,110 --> 01:33:23,600
like to talk to you guys about uh the

2607
01:33:27,270 --> 01:33:25,120
connection between

2608
01:33:28,550 --> 01:33:27,280
um chris bledsoe are you familiar with

2609
01:33:32,790 --> 01:33:28,560
him yes

2610
01:33:37,189 --> 01:33:33,669
very

2611
01:33:39,430 --> 01:33:37,199
travis walton and chris bledsoe on the

2612
01:33:41,030 --> 01:33:39,440
on the outside um

2613
01:33:43,030 --> 01:33:41,040
what have you guys drawn any conclusions

2614
01:33:43,830 --> 01:33:43,040
about why those two cases are so similar

2615
01:33:48,310 --> 01:33:43,840
or

2616
01:33:49,910 --> 01:33:48,320
i never even thought of them as a

2617
01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:49,920
similarity

2618
01:33:56,070 --> 01:33:53,440
i remember chris's story he was out out

2619
01:33:58,709 --> 01:33:56,080
by a lake i believe or a river

2620
01:34:01,830 --> 01:33:58,719
um but i just don't remember all the

2621
01:34:06,310 --> 01:34:01,840
full details uh he was on this show but

2622
01:34:08,149 --> 01:34:06,320
early on back in 2012 i think it was

2623
01:34:10,550 --> 01:34:08,159
so i'm a little rusty on the case but i

2624
01:34:12,870 --> 01:34:10,560
know there's some ongoing strange things

2625
01:34:15,910 --> 01:34:12,880
that actually uh john alexander i

2626
01:34:17,350 --> 01:34:15,920
witnessed at his uh property strange

2627
01:34:19,990 --> 01:34:17,360
things going on

2628
01:34:22,470 --> 01:34:20,000
really strange a lot of strange stuff uh

2629
01:34:24,149 --> 01:34:22,480
grant cam cameron as well like

2630
01:34:27,030 --> 01:34:24,159
explaining you know very interesting

2631
01:34:29,669 --> 01:34:27,040
phenomena they got a burning tree there

2632
01:34:32,229 --> 01:34:29,679
yes the bleeding tree yeah

2633
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:32,239
that actually yeah i mean that's bizarre

2634
01:34:35,590 --> 01:34:34,080
yeah a stream of photographs that they

2635
01:34:37,270 --> 01:34:35,600
that they keep showing

2636
01:34:38,229 --> 01:34:37,280
um that even tom de long seems to

2637
01:34:39,669 --> 01:34:38,239
support

2638
01:34:42,550 --> 01:34:39,679
um

2639
01:34:43,590 --> 01:34:42,560
very skinwalker ranch related

2640
01:34:45,669 --> 01:34:43,600
now

2641
01:34:46,870 --> 01:34:45,679
to me i mean i'm we're always struggling

2642
01:34:48,550 --> 01:34:46,880
to figure out

2643
01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:48,560
the physicality of this phenomenon

2644
01:34:51,910 --> 01:34:50,320
versus like the interdimensionality of

2645
01:34:53,430 --> 01:34:51,920
it and how much of it is connected to

2646
01:34:54,629 --> 01:34:53,440
consciousness

2647
01:34:57,669 --> 01:34:54,639
hmm

2648
01:35:00,070 --> 01:34:57,679
all all really great questions it is

2649
01:35:01,830 --> 01:35:00,080
yeah you know a lot of uh martin i can't

2650
01:35:03,189 --> 01:35:01,840
tell you how many times as a producer

2651
01:35:06,550 --> 01:35:03,199
kgre

2652
01:35:09,109 --> 01:35:06,560
this is coming up quite often and yeah

2653
01:35:11,350 --> 01:35:09,119
i'm also one of those based on frequency

2654
01:35:13,189 --> 01:35:11,360
the metaphysical aspect of it

2655
01:35:15,030 --> 01:35:13,199
um meditation

2656
01:35:17,189 --> 01:35:15,040
lucid dreams

2657
01:35:18,870 --> 01:35:17,199
i think all of this is intertwined i

2658
01:35:20,709 --> 01:35:18,880
really do yeah

2659
01:35:22,470 --> 01:35:20,719
and that the more we look into it the

2660
01:35:23,669 --> 01:35:22,480
more it seems like that's true yeah

2661
01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:23,679
there is a connection they are

2662
01:35:29,350 --> 01:35:26,880
intertwined um and it really kind of

2663
01:35:31,270 --> 01:35:29,360
you know kind of breaks the the mold of

2664
01:35:32,950 --> 01:35:31,280
this old idea that there's just these

2665
01:35:35,030 --> 01:35:32,960
people similar to us

2666
01:35:36,390 --> 01:35:35,040
on different planets struggling to

2667
01:35:38,229 --> 01:35:36,400
explore their universe and they happen

2668
01:35:39,669 --> 01:35:38,239
to you know

2669
01:35:41,990 --> 01:35:39,679
hit ours on accident they're going to

2670
01:35:43,830 --> 01:35:42,000
check it out i think that that idea

2671
01:35:45,189 --> 01:35:43,840
is starting to go out the water and that

2672
01:35:46,709 --> 01:35:45,199
we're dealing with something that's so

2673
01:35:47,990 --> 01:35:46,719
interconnected with humanity and

2674
01:35:49,910 --> 01:35:48,000
consciousness

2675
01:35:51,510 --> 01:35:49,920
that it'll explain a lot about what the

2676
01:35:52,629 --> 01:35:51,520
universe really is

2677
01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:52,639
now

2678
01:35:56,870 --> 01:35:54,000
i think that kind of vibe is going

2679
01:35:58,229 --> 01:35:56,880
around a lot and i wonder what if that's

2680
01:35:59,990 --> 01:35:58,239
true or if that's the direction this is

2681
01:36:01,590 --> 01:36:00,000
going to go how much the government knew

2682
01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:01,600
about this and knows about this and is

2683
01:36:05,109 --> 01:36:03,280
that part of the reason why there's so

2684
01:36:06,950 --> 01:36:05,119
much secrecy surrounding it that it

2685
01:36:08,550 --> 01:36:06,960
doesn't necessarily explain our physical

2686
01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:08,560
universe as much as it explains

2687
01:36:11,990 --> 01:36:10,400
consciousness but sam

2688
01:36:14,310 --> 01:36:12,000
at the same time you're saying this have

2689
01:36:17,189 --> 01:36:14,320
you noticed in recent years

2690
01:36:19,510 --> 01:36:17,199
the demonic narrative

2691
01:36:21,430 --> 01:36:19,520
yes i believe it's all part of it yeah

2692
01:36:22,470 --> 01:36:21,440
yeah it's all part of it i mean

2693
01:36:23,830 --> 01:36:22,480
absolutely

2694
01:36:25,270 --> 01:36:23,840
so

2695
01:36:27,430 --> 01:36:25,280
actually you may you're making great

2696
01:36:30,070 --> 01:36:27,440
points and comments by the way

2697
01:36:32,149 --> 01:36:30,080
uh to that point of the demonic element

2698
01:36:34,149 --> 01:36:32,159
to it i think one of the most important

2699
01:36:35,830 --> 01:36:34,159
pieces of pop culture um that has come

2700
01:36:37,270 --> 01:36:35,840
out surrounding this phenomenon is the

2701
01:36:38,470 --> 01:36:37,280
movie sign

2702
01:36:40,629 --> 01:36:38,480
and i don't know if you guys have ever

2703
01:36:42,229 --> 01:36:40,639
seen that for him um but it you know

2704
01:36:45,270 --> 01:36:42,239
we're dealing with a priest who lost

2705
01:36:47,270 --> 01:36:45,280
faith and then aliens come down

2706
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:47,280
supposedly and then you know he has to

2707
01:36:52,470 --> 01:36:49,600
find his face again through battling you

2708
01:36:54,629 --> 01:36:52,480
know protecting his family now a lot of

2709
01:36:55,669 --> 01:36:54,639
a lot of people more um beat me to the

2710
01:36:57,350 --> 01:36:55,679
chase when they talk about the

2711
01:36:59,669 --> 01:36:57,360
connection that these weren't aliens

2712
01:37:01,750 --> 01:36:59,679
they never show a spaceship they never

2713
01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:01,760
show technology that these were these

2714
01:37:06,229 --> 01:37:04,080
were demons this was a this was a man of

2715
01:37:08,629 --> 01:37:06,239
god fighting demons and that that

2716
01:37:10,790 --> 01:37:08,639
connection kind of you know is such a uh

2717
01:37:12,950 --> 01:37:10,800
powerful connection

2718
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:12,960
that like when you really look at it and

2719
01:37:16,070 --> 01:37:14,480
you really think about how old this

2720
01:37:16,790 --> 01:37:16,080
phenomena could be and we look at like

2721
01:37:20,310 --> 01:37:16,800
hey

2722
01:37:21,990 --> 01:37:20,320
stuff in ancient times and you you

2723
01:37:23,270 --> 01:37:22,000
really get the sense that you know maybe

2724
01:37:26,229 --> 01:37:23,280
this consciousness connection with

2725
01:37:28,790 --> 01:37:26,239
spiritual connection um is connected to

2726
01:37:29,590 --> 01:37:28,800
you know to this phenomena and there you

2727
01:37:31,590 --> 01:37:29,600
know

2728
01:37:33,109 --> 01:37:31,600
there's something constructed

2729
01:37:35,510 --> 01:37:33,119
manufactured

2730
01:37:37,590 --> 01:37:35,520
by the powers that be to keep us in the

2731
01:37:39,189 --> 01:37:37,600
mindset that hey this is a science

2732
01:37:39,910 --> 01:37:39,199
fiction thing this is not a spiritual

2733
01:37:41,510 --> 01:37:39,920
thing

2734
01:37:43,510 --> 01:37:41,520
but i actually think that it just might

2735
01:37:45,910 --> 01:37:43,520
be way more spiritual we have two more

2736
01:37:47,270 --> 01:37:45,920
callers sam uh but i just want to say in

2737
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:47,280
closing

2738
01:37:50,870 --> 01:37:49,280
it's always about control it's always

2739
01:37:51,590 --> 01:37:50,880
about controlling the masses yeah you

2740
01:37:52,629 --> 01:37:51,600
know

2741
01:37:54,149 --> 01:37:52,639
so

2742
01:37:55,590 --> 01:37:54,159
yeah you're on that you're on to that

2743
01:37:57,350 --> 01:37:55,600
and keep up the great work of what

2744
01:37:59,109 --> 01:37:57,360
you're doing out west

2745
01:38:01,189 --> 01:37:59,119
yeah thank you all right

2746
01:38:02,550 --> 01:38:01,199
you have a great night all right sam who

2747
01:38:03,990 --> 01:38:02,560
do we have now

2748
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:04,000
we have

2749
01:38:08,390 --> 01:38:04,880
joe

2750
01:38:11,270 --> 01:38:08,400
martin willis

2751
01:38:12,709 --> 01:38:11,280
joe we got we've had a couple minutes so

2752
01:38:14,709 --> 01:38:12,719
how are you doing welcome to the show

2753
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:14,719
you're live pretty

2754
01:38:17,910 --> 01:38:16,480
pretty good i'll make it quick uh thanks

2755
01:38:19,270 --> 01:38:17,920
for having me on it's a pleasure i've

2756
01:38:21,109 --> 01:38:19,280
been listening for about three months

2757
01:38:22,629 --> 01:38:21,119
now and i just love your show so thank

2758
01:38:24,470 --> 01:38:22,639
you guys thank you very much

2759
01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:24,480
i got an encounter a story that i wanted

2760
01:38:28,070 --> 01:38:26,400
to share or not an encounter but just a

2761
01:38:30,470 --> 01:38:28,080
sighting um

2762
01:38:33,189 --> 01:38:30,480
back in 2000

2763
01:38:35,109 --> 01:38:33,199
i believe i was probably 10 or 11. we're

2764
01:38:37,669 --> 01:38:35,119
sitting in the pool in the backyard um

2765
01:38:39,430 --> 01:38:37,679
originally from santa cruz california

2766
01:38:41,270 --> 01:38:39,440
looking up at the sky my mom's telling

2767
01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:41,280
me how you could see the iss go by

2768
01:38:45,030 --> 01:38:43,520
sometimes and satellites and whatnot

2769
01:38:47,189 --> 01:38:45,040
yeah so we're looking up and we think we

2770
01:38:49,510 --> 01:38:47,199
see one and we see it going and then it

2771
01:38:51,430 --> 01:38:49,520
stops it disappears

2772
01:38:53,590 --> 01:38:51,440
reappears in the same spot this little

2773
01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:53,600
light like a satellite starts going back

2774
01:38:59,030 --> 01:38:56,080
the other direction stops disappears

2775
01:39:00,790 --> 01:38:59,040
reappears it does that five or six times

2776
01:39:02,709 --> 01:39:00,800
and then it finally just kept going the

2777
01:39:04,709 --> 01:39:02,719
other way from its original trajectory

2778
01:39:05,510 --> 01:39:04,719
and we kind of lost it in the sky

2779
01:39:07,350 --> 01:39:05,520
um

2780
01:39:09,430 --> 01:39:07,360
and then i was telling that same story

2781
01:39:11,270 --> 01:39:09,440
to a girlfriend about a year ago and

2782
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:11,280
we're looking up at the sky and pointing

2783
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:12,719
at the sky and telling her kind of

2784
01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:14,560
giving her an explanation

2785
01:39:17,990 --> 01:39:16,000
and we see this light we thought it was

2786
01:39:19,750 --> 01:39:18,000
a satellite but it was just

2787
01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:19,760
speeding across the sky i've never seen

2788
01:39:23,669 --> 01:39:22,000
a satellite that fast and then on a dime

2789
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:23,679
it made a 90 degree turn and started

2790
01:39:26,790 --> 01:39:25,199
going the other way

2791
01:39:29,270 --> 01:39:26,800
yeah it's probably not a satellite i

2792
01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:29,280
mean i can't explain it

2793
01:39:34,229 --> 01:39:32,159
yeah um actually i've seen something

2794
01:39:35,990 --> 01:39:34,239
like that happen

2795
01:39:37,990 --> 01:39:36,000
and i didn't want to say that i saw a

2796
01:39:40,149 --> 01:39:38,000
ufo because i was because i just thought

2797
01:39:42,470 --> 01:39:40,159
well i had a ufo encounter should i

2798
01:39:44,310 --> 01:39:42,480
really talk about another one i had

2799
01:39:46,149 --> 01:39:44,320
so i'm not i'm not sure what i saw but i

2800
01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:46,159
saw something stop

2801
01:39:48,709 --> 01:39:47,760
and all of a sudden go a right angle

2802
01:39:50,790 --> 01:39:48,719
turn

2803
01:39:53,109 --> 01:39:50,800
and i don't know what it was right

2804
01:39:55,189 --> 01:39:53,119
it was bizarre

2805
01:39:58,149 --> 01:39:55,199
the only thing i will say

2806
01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:58,159
there's a lot of people and if that use

2807
01:40:02,149 --> 01:40:00,480
drones to i'm just saying there's a lot

2808
01:40:03,990 --> 01:40:02,159
of people that use drones today and they

2809
01:40:05,430 --> 01:40:04,000
outfit them with lights

2810
01:40:07,109 --> 01:40:05,440
um

2811
01:40:08,470 --> 01:40:07,119
i'm just saying i'm not you know because

2812
01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:08,480
i have to

2813
01:40:12,390 --> 01:40:10,480
be skeptical because even me when i'm

2814
01:40:13,830 --> 01:40:12,400
doing my sky watches

2815
01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:13,840
if i see something like that and if

2816
01:40:16,149 --> 01:40:15,040
you've seen what some of these drones

2817
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:16,159
can do

2818
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:17,760
the ones you can purchase no you're

2819
01:40:21,270 --> 01:40:19,920
right right they can i don't think mine

2820
01:40:23,430 --> 01:40:21,280
was a drone though because it looked

2821
01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:23,440
like an operation i know i'm just saying

2822
01:40:27,750 --> 01:40:25,360
you have to take everything into account

2823
01:40:30,550 --> 01:40:27,760
yeah i actually have a drone on the way

2824
01:40:32,629 --> 01:40:30,560
it'll be here tomorrow uh

2825
01:40:34,790 --> 01:40:32,639
but the only thing i can say to that is

2826
01:40:36,629 --> 01:40:34,800
that the original sighting was back in

2827
01:40:38,229 --> 01:40:36,639
2003 so

2828
01:40:40,149 --> 01:40:38,239
you know i don't know i don't i don't

2829
01:40:42,790 --> 01:40:40,159
claim that it's a ufo or anything i just

2830
01:40:43,669 --> 01:40:42,800
know that it was so small it had to have

2831
01:40:46,310 --> 01:40:43,679
been

2832
01:40:47,510 --> 01:40:46,320
way up there i mean really really small

2833
01:40:49,109 --> 01:40:47,520
you almost couldn't see it if you were

2834
01:40:50,709 --> 01:40:49,119
looking right at it

2835
01:40:52,310 --> 01:40:50,719
you know what i mean yeah

2836
01:40:54,229 --> 01:40:52,320
but uh thanks for having me on guys

2837
01:40:55,750 --> 01:40:54,239
thank you for calling all right

2838
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:55,760
joe have a great night and make sure to

2839
01:40:59,430 --> 01:40:57,600
call back again sometime soon

2840
01:41:02,070 --> 01:40:59,440
yeah joe thanks for the call

2841
01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:02,080
have a good night just think joe's drone

2842
01:41:06,629 --> 01:41:04,719
is going to be someone else's ufo

2843
01:41:08,390 --> 01:41:06,639
i mean no but

2844
01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:08,400
yeah i know what i'm talking about i've

2845
01:41:12,550 --> 01:41:09,199
seen

2846
01:41:14,629 --> 01:41:12,560
this drone in in a city and it just shot

2847
01:41:16,390 --> 01:41:14,639
up and stopped and it's like oh my god

2848
01:41:18,629 --> 01:41:16,400
look just like what you would consider

2849
01:41:21,830 --> 01:41:18,639
ufo the move of it the thing is though

2850
01:41:23,270 --> 01:41:21,840
swamp gas chinese lanterns now problems

2851
01:41:24,550 --> 01:41:23,280
it's always something it's always

2852
01:41:25,990 --> 01:41:24,560
something to replace it's going to get

2853
01:41:28,390 --> 01:41:26,000
more more and more more we're going to

2854
01:41:29,830 --> 01:41:28,400
get more yeah we have our last caller of

2855
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:29,840
the night

2856
01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:32,639
eric from hawaii you are on with martin

2857
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:42,870
hi

2858
01:41:45,430 --> 01:41:44,390
that runs through okay yeah you're

2859
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:45,440
coming through go ahead you're on with

2860
01:41:50,229 --> 01:41:47,520
martin

2861
01:41:52,870 --> 01:41:50,239
awesome so uh i'm calling in basically

2862
01:41:54,950 --> 01:41:52,880
just to share my ufo encounters

2863
01:41:58,229 --> 01:41:54,960
awesome great let's hear it

2864
01:41:59,830 --> 01:41:58,239
let me turn my stream down okay so

2865
01:42:01,350 --> 01:41:59,840
you know uh

2866
01:42:03,990 --> 01:42:01,360
new year's eve

2867
01:42:04,870 --> 01:42:04,000
2012 2013.

2868
01:42:08,149 --> 01:42:04,880
um

2869
01:42:10,310 --> 01:42:08,159
a friend of mine you know a roommate

2870
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:10,320
who's now passed away

2871
01:42:16,070 --> 01:42:12,960
um we went down to hilo

2872
01:42:18,149 --> 01:42:16,080
um about 11 30 thinking oh we'll go

2873
01:42:19,830 --> 01:42:18,159
catch the fireworks

2874
01:42:22,390 --> 01:42:19,840
and you know because we've never been

2875
01:42:24,070 --> 01:42:22,400
down there and i lived in hawaii maybe

2876
01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:24,080
four or five years

2877
01:42:27,750 --> 01:42:25,760
but i didn't realize there was no

2878
01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:27,760
fireworks on new year's eve there's just

2879
01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:29,760
no public display but

2880
01:42:34,310 --> 01:42:32,000
on our way down there we were watching

2881
01:42:36,149 --> 01:42:34,320
uh you know uh

2882
01:42:37,510 --> 01:42:36,159
homeowners were setting off some

2883
01:42:39,030 --> 01:42:37,520
fireworks here and there and we could

2884
01:42:40,830 --> 01:42:39,040
see coming down the mountain it was kind

2885
01:42:43,189 --> 01:42:40,840
of

2886
01:42:45,030 --> 01:42:43,199
neat and uh

2887
01:42:46,950 --> 01:42:45,040
i'm sorry let me turn off my stream it's

2888
01:42:49,189 --> 01:42:46,960
distracting

2889
01:42:52,229 --> 01:42:49,199
so uh

2890
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:52,239
we saw what appeared to be like a uh

2891
01:42:56,310 --> 01:42:54,000
chinese lantern

2892
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:56,320
in the distance down the mountain and i

2893
01:42:59,510 --> 01:42:57,840
was pointing it out because it's

2894
01:43:02,390 --> 01:42:59,520
interesting you know it looked like they

2895
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:02,400
maybe had it tied into a tree and like

2896
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:04,560
maybe a fountain or something underneath

2897
01:43:08,310 --> 01:43:05,520
it was

2898
01:43:10,950 --> 01:43:08,320
tied to it spraying all around and stuff

2899
01:43:11,830 --> 01:43:10,960
but uh oh wow that's really cool you

2900
01:43:14,470 --> 01:43:11,840
know

2901
01:43:17,109 --> 01:43:14,480
and uh it kept rising up

2902
01:43:19,189 --> 01:43:17,119
and uh i thought wow you know that that

2903
01:43:21,350 --> 01:43:19,199
that's a pretty mean chinese lantern it

2904
01:43:22,229 --> 01:43:21,360
has enough lift in it to

2905
01:43:24,310 --> 01:43:22,239
you know

2906
01:43:25,109 --> 01:43:24,320
with some other fireworks so i thought

2907
01:43:27,270 --> 01:43:25,119
well

2908
01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:27,280
let's pull over and check this out

2909
01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:29,040
you know because it was it was going up

2910
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:31,440
in the air and actually it wasn't really

2911
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:34,000
rising it it looked like it was rising

2912
01:43:38,229 --> 01:43:36,400
from our perspective but it was actually

2913
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:38,239
what i thought blowing towards us you

2914
01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:39,040
know

2915
01:43:42,229 --> 01:43:40,560
but after getting out of the car and

2916
01:43:44,310 --> 01:43:42,239
we're standing there and it's it's

2917
01:43:45,669 --> 01:43:44,320
actually we're in a misty spot above

2918
01:43:47,350 --> 01:43:45,679
curtis town i don't know if you're

2919
01:43:49,669 --> 01:43:47,360
familiar with hawaii

2920
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:49,679
but uh it's about

2921
01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:53,679
about 12 miles up the mountain and uh

2922
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:55,440
as it got closer

2923
01:43:59,109 --> 01:43:57,840
i realized well you know

2924
01:44:00,629 --> 01:43:59,119
that's not

2925
01:44:02,950 --> 01:44:00,639
a fountain that's

2926
01:44:04,629 --> 01:44:02,960
led lights or something because oh

2927
01:44:06,390 --> 01:44:04,639
well somebody really got inventive you

2928
01:44:08,629 --> 01:44:06,400
know and just strap some lights on there

2929
01:44:10,149 --> 01:44:08,639
and are twirling around and stuff but

2930
01:44:12,629 --> 01:44:10,159
you know this thing just kept getting

2931
01:44:15,189 --> 01:44:12,639
closer and bigger and closer

2932
01:44:17,990 --> 01:44:15,199
and bigger until i realized you know

2933
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:18,000
that's not a chinese lantern

2934
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:20,320
and uh we realized we were looking at

2935
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:21,360
something

2936
01:44:27,830 --> 01:44:25,600
we had never seen before and it was just

2937
01:44:30,950 --> 01:44:27,840
chilling you know i came to the sudden

2938
01:44:33,669 --> 01:44:30,960
realization that hey you know the joke's

2939
01:44:35,590 --> 01:44:33,679
on you everything you heard was true

2940
01:44:36,870 --> 01:44:35,600
you know they're here

2941
01:44:37,910 --> 01:44:36,880
and uh so

2942
01:44:39,910 --> 01:44:37,920
you know

2943
01:44:41,750 --> 01:44:39,920
i'll make this a little shorter but the

2944
01:44:44,790 --> 01:44:41,760
encounter lasted maybe

2945
01:44:47,189 --> 01:44:44,800
20 minutes 30 minutes

2946
01:44:49,669 --> 01:44:47,199
seven of them go by

2947
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:49,679
and they all came within you know each

2948
01:44:53,669 --> 01:44:51,360
one came a little closer it was like

2949
01:44:54,950 --> 01:44:53,679
they were shooting uh red

2950
01:44:58,390 --> 01:44:54,960
scanning type

2951
01:44:59,669 --> 01:44:58,400
beams i would say underneath the craft

2952
01:45:03,990 --> 01:44:59,679
and uh

2953
01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:04,000
they looked uh like raindrop shaped

2954
01:45:07,430 --> 01:45:06,000
but they were definitely light beams

2955
01:45:09,270 --> 01:45:07,440
kind of like

2956
01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:09,280
looked like a hologram

2957
01:45:12,310 --> 01:45:10,800
and they were spinning around in a

2958
01:45:14,870 --> 01:45:12,320
circle so

2959
01:45:18,470 --> 01:45:14,880
what we could see up close was

2960
01:45:22,310 --> 01:45:18,480
inside these orbs there was a saucer you

2961
01:45:25,270 --> 01:45:22,320
know a classic 50s style disc

2962
01:45:27,189 --> 01:45:25,280
and gray you know and but we could see

2963
01:45:29,669 --> 01:45:27,199
through the orb we could see through the

2964
01:45:31,510 --> 01:45:29,679
saucers we could see through everything

2965
01:45:32,870 --> 01:45:31,520
it was just really

2966
01:45:35,189 --> 01:45:32,880
outrageous

2967
01:45:37,510 --> 01:45:35,199
and as the

2968
01:45:40,149 --> 01:45:37,520
saucers were like

2969
01:45:42,790 --> 01:45:40,159
spinning like a top i would say gyrating

2970
01:45:44,550 --> 01:45:42,800
a gyroscopic motion

2971
01:45:47,270 --> 01:45:44,560
like they were about to fall over you

2972
01:45:49,750 --> 01:45:47,280
know like a top is about to fall over

2973
01:45:51,669 --> 01:45:49,760
and they're wobbling around well that

2974
01:45:53,990 --> 01:45:51,679
looked appeared to be controlling the

2975
01:45:55,830 --> 01:45:54,000
beams underneath and directing them

2976
01:45:58,390 --> 01:45:55,840
so as they were wobbling they were

2977
01:46:00,229 --> 01:45:58,400
traveling you know the

2978
01:46:01,590 --> 01:46:00,239
it's hard to explain the

2979
01:46:03,189 --> 01:46:01,600
orbs were

2980
01:46:06,470 --> 01:46:03,199
super stable

2981
01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:06,480
very stable traveling at a very slow

2982
01:46:10,830 --> 01:46:07,840
speed

2983
01:46:14,550 --> 01:46:10,840
while inside there there's uh

2984
01:46:17,030 --> 01:46:14,560
the discs were raging in this gyroscopic

2985
01:46:19,189 --> 01:46:17,040
motion and doing all these uh control

2986
01:46:21,430 --> 01:46:19,199
functions with the

2987
01:46:24,149 --> 01:46:21,440
scannings underneath so each one that

2988
01:46:26,390 --> 01:46:24,159
went by was a little bit closer

2989
01:46:29,030 --> 01:46:26,400
well i'm sorry to say this but we're

2990
01:46:30,709 --> 01:46:29,040
i i hate to cut you short i really do

2991
01:46:33,510 --> 01:46:30,719
but we are totally out of time and

2992
01:46:35,590 --> 01:46:33,520
another show is coming up on kgr a radio

2993
01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:35,600
so i want to thank you so much for your

2994
01:46:42,310 --> 01:46:37,040
call

2995
01:46:43,510 --> 01:46:42,320
back again to martin's show and i'm sure

2996
01:46:45,270 --> 01:46:43,520
martin would love to hear the

2997
01:46:47,990 --> 01:46:45,280
continuation of this account that you

2998
01:46:51,189 --> 01:46:48,000
had yeah and by the way well definitely

2999
01:46:52,550 --> 01:46:51,199
i i do have a part two okay

3000
01:46:55,590 --> 01:46:52,560
have a great night i reckon thank you

3001
01:46:58,350 --> 01:46:55,600
for calling yeah thanks everyone and by

3002
01:47:00,470 --> 01:46:58,360
the way on my uh podcast website

3003
01:47:01,910 --> 01:47:00,480
podcastufo.com i do have an anonymous

3004
01:47:03,109 --> 01:47:01,920
forum for people to fill out if they'd

3005
01:47:06,149 --> 01:47:03,119
like to

3006
01:47:08,070 --> 01:47:06,159
sighting there's some great ones on

3007
01:47:09,750 --> 01:47:08,080
there thanks so much bill you really

3008
01:47:11,990 --> 01:47:09,760
helped out tremendously tonight it was a

3009
01:47:14,790 --> 01:47:12,000
lot of thanksgiving all the callers

3010
01:47:16,470 --> 01:47:14,800
thank you callers for for calling in we

3011
01:47:17,669 --> 01:47:16,480
couldn't have done the show without you

3012
01:47:20,149 --> 01:47:17,679
thanks so much

3013
01:47:23,030 --> 01:47:20,159
and we'll be back next week with uh don

3014
01:47:25,270 --> 01:47:23,040
hayden and antique guy that had a tic

3015
01:47:27,750 --> 01:47:25,280
tac ufo sighting thanks again bill and

3016
01:47:30,470 --> 01:47:27,760
remember everyone to remember everyone

3017
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:30,480
to keep your eyes to the sky goodbye